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    expectations of Vtown

    Ive been building a BR here on the west coast at the 8 deck H17 game. das, split 4 times. doa...using Hi/lo. at 25k now. whoohoo the stepping stone is growing safer to stand on.
    I am SOOOO tired of counting 6-1/2 decks just for a chance at a small advantage. however the rules are decent but with no surrender allowed, its almost the only game around. I feel like I'm fast and been through scores of brutal shoes which has sharpened my cat like vision and skills.
    So I ask you.
    What kind of goodies does VTown hold?
    What kind of decent games can I expect to easily find?
    I'm excited for sure and can hardly hold my chips. Haha HEY, I can hear your chuckles through the intranet waves.
    yes I'm the same shorty from last year who almost lost it all .
    I started with $1000
    hit PV and screamed up to 15K befor having a streak that almost changed my life forever.
    basically I lost 75 max bets. midway down I blogged onto here and learned a thing or two. invested in CVCX and gripped what was real. with $600 left I hit positive variance again and flew to fifteen k again while sharpening those cat skills , btw I have like a 1-30 spread and sometimes 1-50 when I'm feeling frisky and go from $10 to $500 purple at last hand just to piss off the suits who stand and stare . I know ill have to disguise myself much better in Vtown but for some reason they wont kick me out here. I think that they think I'm a sucker who cant really do it but tries .they've almost all have seen me have horrible days and maybe that's why or they're stupid idk.Ive been keeping track on paper oh yes I have. at 25 k and feeling good and ready to go steady and just play easy peasy.
    -1 to +1 = $10
    +2 =$50
    +3 =$100
    +4 =$200
    +5 =$300
    ....$300 or sometimes $500 if ive lost the past few in a row.
    that's how I roll and I did so even when I hit the bottom figuring that instead of readjusting due to my tiny BR ide keep strong for when it starts getting good again.
    thank the powers that be.
    It did!
    A special thanks to Norm and the boys for all the advice I got last time I was here.
    ps lets chat about vtown and such. anybody???
    Last edited by shorty 2; 05-01-2016 at 09:35 PM.

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    Shorty2, Personally I think when you bet $500 a hand you are over betting your roll ! I think your top bet should be no more than $250.

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    No insurance allowed is a huge disadvantage, as it represents the #1 index play for importance.

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    no insurance is a typo and I fixed it. +3
    Last edited by shorty 2; 05-01-2016 at 04:54 PM.

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    8 Deck games with no surrender need to be offset with better than 75% pen. Otherwise, large spread , which you have indicated you are doing, is necessary to beat the game. Variance will be high, putting lots of pressure on your bankroll.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Actually its 88% pen and Yup. I also split to three hands when/if things are looking good for the last hand of shoe. one time I put 200 on each one with tc +8 and the silly dealer looked up and said "sorry but that's more than the table max of 500 and I said "BULL,I do it all the time". Then she called the pit boss over while I replaced each one with a purple chip and thought ha ,Ill fix her wagon hehe. the boss let it ride and I lost all three, disaster.
    I play high risk because ide rather loose it all fast than over a long period of time.coupled with the fact that being weeker means less per hour,I place large bets when the count is high.I know exactly what I'm doing because I have CVCX, Now I'm closing in on a BR that will merit such high table max bets anyways. ps they just don't seem to wana kick me out, maybe its because of the day I told the boss lady that if they try changing the rules again theyre going to learn what class action means.babahahaa or maybe my wild play leaves one to consider the possibility that I don't have the control needed to be successful at such a game. either way I'm a winner!
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    Hi Shorty,

    Slow down. I would advise that it's best not to antagonize the pit or dealers, because they WILL kick you out, unless you're playing in a jurisdiction that cannot back you off, but even then you'll still get counter-measured. Remember, you want this place to welcome you back. Maybe the casino thinks you're counting. Maybe not. Maybe they're unsure of your skills and they're going to take a gamble with you, in hopes that you'll go on tilt and bust out. Whatever the case is, just understand that IF you are actually a winning player and the casino is 100% confident with that assumption, you will get backed off and/or counter-measured. Stay friendly with the casino personnel AND MAYBE it'll buy you some longevity. If you stay friendly with the right people, it might just take them a little bit longer to pull the trigger.

    In the last two years, I've been backed off and counter-measured multiple times; and let me tell you, it's hell. I'm pretty much totally burnt out in my local area and it makes it almost impossible to get any action on the tables in my home base anymore. Now, I need to travel in order to get any decent amount of hours at the tables. Some of my BO's were due to rookie mistakes and some were just due to over-exposure. But if your local store has not backed you off yet, then take advantage of it and TREAD LIGHTLY! When you first start off, getting backed off might seem cute, but once it becomes a regular occurrence, it gets really old and gets in the way of getting any work done.

    As far as Vegas goes; it's sweaty down there! The only upside is that there's so many different stores to choose from, so you can last for a long time out there before you're totally burned out. Order a copy of CBJN from BJ21.com if you want a list of games out there. Do some research on the forums (here and BJ21) and you'll learn which places are best for your action. There's a lot of discussions about Vegas on the forums and I learned A LOT about Vegas before I even made my first trip out there as an AP. You'll need to that research beforehand if you want to survive there.

    Good Luck

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    Thanks Ryemo. we've chatted last year as well and your positive influence is very helpful.
    I'm learning to be nice when I can and do some silly things when heat is getting hotter such as open with a $100 and act like I'm chasing a loss or something to look like another hot headed plopper.Then I watch the suits disperse one by one. I swear those opening hands are the most dangerous, almost seems like that shuffle machine knows how to put an ace six cards from the bottom so it lands on the dealer 80% of the time
    Cheers to still being in the game!
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    Shorty, combining over betting,"fore warning" with a big spread and having no surrender option available to you is asking for trouble. Last year you said at one point you lost 75 max bets, that should have been a great learning tool, for future play. I hope you realize that surrender is much more valuable to a card counter than a basic strategy player. Not having this option, you should definitely play more conservatively with your top bets. Unless you have other sources of income.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shorty 2 View Post
    ?...8 deck H17 game. das, split 4 times. doa...however the rules are decent but with no surrender allowed....What kind of goodies does VTown hold?
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    "Rules are decent"...really???....compared to what?...a turd?...those rules suck, bro...any game where you are marginally ahead at +2 is a waste of fucking time...sans other opportunities...I see you recognize this by your spread....good for you... see so many pseudo "APs" make this mistake...raise their bet while still behind (@+1, in your case)....as for Vtown, stay the fuck away from there, too...even a very marginal "AP" will likely end up on someone's db and will compromise your opportunities at the plenty of GREAT games all over the continent...there are a PLETHORA of <-0.5 edge games all over the place to be had

    GOOD LUCK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    "Rules are decent"...really???....compared to what?...a turd?...those rules suck, bro...any game where you are marginally ahead at +2 is a waste of fucking time...sans other opportunities...I see you recognize this by your spread....good for you... see so many pseudo "APs" make this mistake...raise their bet while still behind (@+1, in your case)....as for Vtown, stay the fuck away from there, too...even a very marginal "AP" will likely end up on someone's db and will compromise your opportunities at the plenty of GREAT games all over the continent...there are a PLETHORA of <-0.5 edge games all over the place to be had

    GOOD LUCK
    Let me remind you that assumptions are the mother of all fuckups .
    I have an advantage at +1 (marginal yes) but at +1 not 2 .anyways I play $10 at that time because I'm smart enough to have cvcx which says I gain only $2 per hour by upping it ,but my risk goes up to counter that so I don't mind keeping cool. because when it goes up/ I get wild.
    Its a $50 an hour game with 3% ror. Ive mad 25k so your saying I should stop?
    ps I will be in Vtown ,what you think imma sucker bro?
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    Your game is -0.7 off the top....NO WAY only using hilo are your ahead at +1....take your good furtune and $25k and find a game worth playing

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    Quote Originally Posted by shorty 2 View Post
    ....btw I have like a 1-30 spread and sometimes 1-50 when I'm feeling frisky and go from $10 to $500 purple a......$300 or sometimes $500 if ive lost the past few in a row...
    shooooty, one word, pal....VOODOO!!!!

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