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    Quote Originally Posted by shorty 2 View Post
    ps I will be in Vtown ,what you think imma sucker bro?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    NO WAY only using hilo are your ahead at +1..
    If the game is as he described it, I believe he is ahead at TC+1 by about .38%, certainly borderline but IMHO he is going to be short lived with his 1:30 or 1:50 depending on his "froggy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    If the game is as he described it, I believe he is ahead at TC+1 by about .38%, certainly borderline but IMHO he is going to be short lived with his 1:30 or 1:50 depending on his "froggy"

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    game as described is -0.7%...so i am skeptical of any sim software that suggests one extra 10/A per deck (HiLo) is worth (over) 1% advantage....i call BS on that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    "Rules are decent"...really???....compared to what?...a turd?...those rules suck, bro...any game where you are marginally ahead at +2 is a waste of fucking time...sans other opportunities...I see you recognize this by your spread....good for you... see so many pseudo "APs" make this mistake...raise their bet while still behind (@+1, in your case)....as for Vtown, stay the fuck away from there, too...even a very marginal "AP" will likely end up on someone's db and will compromise your opportunities at the plenty of GREAT games all over the continent...there are a PLETHORA of <-0.5 edge games all over the place to be had

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    Don't take offence to the wording there is much wisdom in his response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    game as described is -0.7%...so i am skeptical of any sim software that suggests one extra 10/A per deck (HiLo) is worth (over) 1% advantage....i call BS on that!
    Not sure were you got you -.07% and it still looks like player has advantage at TC+1. You think Norm's sim software is wrong?

    Not a big fan of this game but am a fan of giving him the correct information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    To the OP
    Don't take offence to the wording there is much wisdom in his response.
    Should have elaborated further on Sharkys plus 2 comment. Very Valid point when playing shitty games.

    For myself when eyeballing a shoe game. I use a benchmark house edge of .5%. Won't often get to much better than .45 at shoe, except at exceptional games. Really easy go to do a shit load worse, and this is where ramping at plus 1 tends to be a mistake. A rule exception may be tactical if not concerned about trading variance with the house - but again, the higher the house edge us, the poorer the move.

    The other point Sharky was alluding to, worded differently. Shittier rules create a higher house edge which requires a higher true count in order to firstly, break even, secondly reducing the number of hands worthy of big bet opportunities, further requiring faster bet ramping in marginal p,plus opportunities - thus increasing variance. I got buried at such a game last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Should have elaborated further on Sharkys plus 2 comment. Very Valid point when playing shitty games.

    For myself when eyeballing a shoe game. I use a benchmark house edge of .5%. Won't often get to much better than .45 at shoe, except at exceptional games. Really easy go to do a shit load worse, and this is where ramping at plus 1 tends to be a mistake. A rule exception may be tactical if not concerned about trading variance with the house - but again, the higher the house edge us, the poorer the move.

    The other point Sharky was alluding to, worded differently. Shittier rules create a higher house edge which requires a higher true count in order to firstly, break even, secondly reducing the number of hands worthy of big bet opportunities, further requiring faster bet ramping in marginal p,plus opportunities - thus increasing variance. I got buried at such a game last night.
    For a counter, the HE on a game is not that important. It's the player's advantage that is important. Pen and bet spread dwarf HE. Other factors being equal, would you believe that an 8-decker with crummy rules (HE of .65%) and pen of 7.5/8 is a better game than a 6-decker with great rules (.26% HE) and pen of 4.5/6? You might be surprised. Run the SCORE and let the SCORE decide if it's a good game....

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    Good comments. I suppose i should have elaborated lousy rules with shitty pen. 7.5/8 super deep pen makes up for many poor rule transgressions.

    The HE is still important to the degree that the higher HE still needs to be overcome - which still translates into fewer big bet opportunities, now subsidized by that very important deep pen which assists in doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shorty 2 View Post
    ..I am SOOOO tired of counting 6-1/2 decks ...
    so where did 7.5/8 come from???....MUCH different game....anyways, conversation is ova...y'all keep doin what you're doin.....more good games for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    Not sure were you got you -.07% and it still looks like player has advantage at TC+1. You think Norm's sim software is wrong?

    Not a big fan of this game but am a fan of giving him the correct information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    try NO SURRENDER!!!!
    My bad, thought he added LS in a subsequent post but that was insurance.

    Yes this game sucks.
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    Just got in to read all the comments.
    The game doesn't allow for surrender of any kind BUT you can RESPLIT aces. and when I use the already loaded sim for hi/lo sweet16 and fab 4 it says I have a advantage at +1 but small and I learned that keeping it at min bet at that time is not a bad idea.

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