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    Silver Fox strategy vs Hi Lo?

    I have used both, and am ambivalent on which of the two is the better strategy?....My biggest concern is the wisdom (or lack thereof) of counting 9 as -1 as in Silver Fox, vs counting 9 as 0 as in Hi Low?......I play only SD & DD on a quarter table with a 1 to 3 spread, and I modify basic as the C dictates.....Any and all comments/viewpoints/banter or criticism would be greatly appreciated....
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    You are negating most of the House Edge,
    presuming that this is a H17, DAS, NRSA
    for a House Edge of 0.40%

    You have negated most of the House Edge,
    but not all.

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    Counting the 7 and 9 against each other helps your playing and betting correlation a bit, but hurts you on insurance decisions. Here is a great article from the Blackjack Forum archives. http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/hundred.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    If anything, you are probably throwing EITS counters off by including the 9 and the 7. Including the 7 in your count will help decisions on that pesky 14 vs 10 matchup.
    Not likely. They will find the same edges that you find almost everytime just using high low and computer systems like Bloodhound rely on inputing the exact cards and using Griffin's EOR's to determine your exact betting correlation. There are other ways to beat evaluations from the eye but using multiple level card count systems isn't one of them. The key is knowing you are being evaluated or scheduled to be evaluated in the first place. Then there are all sorts of proprietary tricks of the trade to make yourself look like an idiot.

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    There's nothing wrong with the Silver Fox system if you're already using it.
    The Cash Cow.

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    In post #4 there is a reference to:

    http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/hundred.htm


    Naturally, the Bishop Snyder, touts his ZEN system as the most profitable;

    BUT he mentions in the text of the article that he prefers using Hi-Opt II.

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    Here is what Bishop Snyder says on the subject in the following link:
    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/hundred.htm
    "The top-ranked (level two) Zen Count is simpler than any of the next three counts which are level 3, level 4, and level 3, respectively. As I noted earlier, I use the Hi-Opt II count. My reason for this is that the gain from using the Zen Count is very slight, and frankly Hi-Opt II is slightly simpler. I'm a great believer in simplicity. Nor could I say for certain that the Zen Count is undeniably superior. The Blackjack Formula indicates a negligible superiority under most conditions."

    I never tried the Zen count but I am not sure why you would think it was harder. Certainly using the info gathered is harder for Hiopt2/ASC. I don't see much difference in counting difficulty once the simple task of keeping a side count is mastered. Before you have the basic skill of side counting down Hiopt2/ASC is harder than Zen.

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    Meaning what Moo?....that I could have started with something better than a level 1 such as Silver Fox?...Between the two - Silver Fox and Hi Lo - which do you believe is the more accurate/advantageous/profitable, playing against SD and/or DD with 70% pen and using modified basic?.....Many thanks beforehand, to you and all that have replied to my post....ronster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronster View Post
    Meaning what Moo?....that I could have started with something better than a level 1 such as Silver Fox?...Between the two - Silver Fox and Hi Lo - which do you believe is the more accurate/advantageous/profitable, playing against SD and/or DD with 70% pen and using modified basic?.....Many thanks beforehand, to you and all that have replied to my post....ronster
    If you've sunk a bunch of time into learning the system and indexes, then Silver Fox will work. Hi Lo is a bit better (maybe 5%), but that's not very important.
    The Cash Cow.

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    Thanks for the info moses....but on the other hand I'm wondering why the "flash" tells me I'm using the absolute worst strategy out there???....It seems to work for me here on the river, with no heat whatsoever, and I've managed to tame the volatility by using a 1-3 spread....But then I'm playing SD & DD, only, no shoes....

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