The Rule of 11 in Double Deck play ...

[ZenMaster_Flash]

I cannot recall the source of this, but I would like some feedback:

Rule of 11 is a basic way to determine whether or not a DD game (based on penetration) is "acceptable" to play. Take 11 and subtract the number of players that are at the table, and that will tell you what cut you need to make that game playable. The more people sitting at the table, the better the cut will need to be to make the game worth playing.




Examples:


11 - 1 player = 10 (1.0 cut)
11 - 4 players = 7 (.7 cut)
11 - 2 players = 9 (.9 cut)
11 - 5 players = 6 (.6 cut)

[Dog Hand]

The source is a Post of the Month by Fine Tuner: see http://www.bj21.com/greenchip/archiv...cgi?read=20607

Dog Hand

[BigJer]

The source is a Post of the Month by Fine Tuner: see http://www.bj21.com/greenchip/archiv...cgi?read=20607

Dog Hand

That link goes to a members only area.

[Ryemo]

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[Jabberwocky]

[QUOTE=ZenMaster_Flash;186775]
I cannot recall the source of this, but I would like some feedback:

Rule of 11 is a basic way to determine whether or not a DD game (based on penetration) is "acceptable" to play. Take 11 and subtract the number of players that are at the table, and that will tell you what cut you need to make that game playable. The more people sitting at the table, the better the cut will need to be to make the game worth playing.




Examples:


11 - 1 player = 10 (1.0 cut)
11 - 4 players = 7 (.7 cut)
11 - 2 players = 9 (.9 cut)
11 - 5 players = 6 (.6 cut)

Be advised that this formula only applies on 3-2, DAS, DA2 games. Then there's the tolerance level that needs to be factored in.

[mcallister3200]

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[G Man]

Rule of 11 is a basic way to determine whether or not a DD game (based on penetration) is "acceptable" to play. Take 11 and subtract the number of players that are at the table, and that will tell you what cut you need to make that game playable. The more people sitting at the table, the better the cut will need to be to make the game worth playing.

This means nothing if you don't give a required spread.
You would play a DD H17, DAS cut 1.0/2 heads up with what kind of spread? 1-6, 1-8, 1-12 ?

[Jabberwocky]

The deeper the cut the less spread is required. For 1.0, then 8-1 and higher.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"with what kind of spread? 1-6, 1-8, 1-12 ?"

Double deck games are surveilled closely.

DD is often referred to as a "Counter Trap."

6-1 is the consensus opinion of Pro Players

as to the Max Spread that you can get away

with for long.

As far as penetration goes, there is a consensus there

as well. If there is H17, DAS, Double any 2 cards 60%

pen' is the least one accepts ASSUMING no crowding.

[G Man]

As far as penetration goes, there is a consensus there

as well. If there is H17, DAS, Double any 2 cards 60%

pen' is the least one accepts ASSUMING no crowding.

Then simply stating that the rule of 11 tell you if a DD game is playable or not isn't correct.
Who would play a DD, H17, DAS with 1-6 spread and one deck cut out of play?

[ZeeBabar]

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[Bigdaddy]

The "11 rule" is an ok rule of thumb as a conceptual approach to DD games. It basically balances out differences in SCORE due to penetration with differences in SCORE due to game speed (rounds per hour).

But in my view, this approach is too simplistic, because it fails to consider two important factors:

1) Players come and go, especially at higher-stakes tables. If I see a DD table with good pen that has 4 or 5 players, the first thing I do is check out the chip stacks next to each player. If I see a few light stacks, it could be a situation where the player will be leaving soon. Many times I've started with a full table and found myself with a beautiful 2 or 3 player situation after just a little bit.

2) Heads up (1 player) is not great in DD games. Even though you have outstanding game speed (150 rds per hour or more), you lose a lot of SCORE, because you can't wong out. The perfect situation is 2 players: yourself and one other with a huge chip stack. When the count gets stupid low (-5 or lower), you take you take your bathroom breaks and phone breaks and let the other poor slob eat the dust. But I emphasize, for the 2-player situation, you need the other player to have some capital in front of them, otherwise when you come back from the bathroom break they're gone. Wonder why?....

[Bodarc]

with differences in SCORE due to game speed (rounds per hour).

Big Daddy, I don't think SCORE is affected by rounds per hour.