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    Copyright Violations

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    Was this in response to some specific post, offer or solicitation?
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    I apologize.

    I had thought that "fair use" would include a simple
    one page matrix of numbers.

    I guess not.

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    I think the fair use provisions would apply to a small excerpt of something, whether text, audio or image.

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    The following may prove beneficial to an understanding of the fair use doctrine.

    http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview...t-is-fair-use/

    The mere copying and pasting of copywritten material, without a "transformative use", likely would not be entitled to protection (even of just one page from a book) from a claim of unlawful/illegal copyright violation.
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    You could also just attribute their work by listing author and publication if you are concerned about fair use.
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    Fair Use requires far more than that. You can't just copy something, attribute it and declare Fair Use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Fair Use requires far more than that. You can't just copy something, attribute it and declare Fair Use.
    Thus my reference to the "transformative use" prong of the test for satisfaction of whether a use of copywritten material is a Fair Use, therefore a legally protected use of such intellectual property.

    I might be reading MJGolf's comments in a different light than what is implied by Norm's response. To me, it seems that he may have been suggesting that a user not post any copywritten material, but rather provide a cite to it by publication title, page number and author (as has repeatedly been followed on this site for DS' BJA 3rd edition). IMHO.
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    Could be. But, not very useful in this case since the publication is very difficult to come by. Although, I assume it's still available at the UNLV library (on premises only).
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    Norm, you're on the right track.

    Doesn't anyone ever check out books from the library anymore? I know I checked that book out from the Library of Congress early last year through my local library, on interlibrary loan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Galvin View Post
    Thus my reference to the "transformative use" prong of the test for satisfaction of whether a use of copywritten material is a Fair Use, therefore a legally protected use of such intellectual property.

    I might be reading MJGolf's comments in a different light than what is implied by Norm's response. To me, it seems that he may have been suggesting that a user not post any copywritten material, but rather provide a cite to it by publication title, page number and author (as has repeatedly been followed on this site for DS' BJA 3rd edition). IMHO.
    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Could be. But, not very useful in this case since the publication is very difficult to come by. Although, I assume it's still available at the UNLV library (on premises only).
    That's exactly right. But the difficulty of obtaining the publication has no relevance to whether or not there is a copyright violation. I was merely suggesting that a proper cite would have alleviated any concern on this board in my "formerly" legal opinion. LOL Not much likelihood he was going to get any "commercial" gain from the use, intended or not intended (even if NOT cited) and posting a mathematical matrix might not even reach the level of a copyright violation anyway, if it wasn't some theory or formula that was proprietary. Unless I'm misunderstanding what Norm was originally referring to.

    Otherwise you could run results of sims using Norm's program (which is protected); post them and they would be "technically" considered a copyright violation. Don't think that's what is involved in this particular case. But then I got into this thing in the middle of the postings.
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