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    Question about enforcement of a trespass

    I was trespassed a year ago at one of my haunts. In the process they asked me to show ID (since I was playing unrated) but I refused. The suit instructed the DoS to have me read the trespass act and sign it after cashing out. I refused to read the paper he tried to hand me and obviously refused to sign anything. I just cashed out and left without my vehicle so they couldn't run my plates (someone returned later to retrieve the car).

    Here's my question......When I decide the time is right to return; is anything enforceable since I showed no ID & did not read, have read to me or sign the trespass act? All they can go on, is that maybe I "look like a guy" they once told never to return. I've also lost 35 lbs since then so it's debatable that I even look like that guy anymore. I am thinking that the worst that can happen is if someone recognizes me they can only ask me to leave. Thoughts?
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    Get back in there! Way to stand up to them! You were smart enough not to play their games, you are way ahead of them.
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    They won't recognize you. As FYI, a trespass is legally only good for 1 year from the date issued in almost all cases. Also, if caught, do the same thing and just walk out the door. Do not put up a fight or argument, just leave peacefully. By doing that last time, it is unlikely they will recognize you and the personnel has likely changed in that time period.

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    Listen to the latest GWAE with guest Bob Nersesian talking about this very issue.

    Very interesting was that it looks like no Caesars property can tresspass you in a way that is legally enforceable. Bob gives a long explanation of whynthis is so.
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    I find myself in the same position as Jay.

    What do you suppose would happen if you're playng a carney game, have a big score and you need to show I.D. for tax reasons? Could non-indian casinos refuse to pay based on the previous tresspassing?
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    I also have a question regarding trespass enforcement. However, I cannot publicly post some of the details of my backoff and would appreciate it if someone would PM me about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solo player View Post
    I find myself in the same position as Jay.

    What do you suppose would happen if you're playng a carney game, have a big score and you need to show I.D. for tax reasons? Could non-indian casinos refuse to pay based on the previous tresspassing?
    So if you win 30-50k in a hand at a carny game like mississippi stud they make you show ID? I thought they just give you chips and no w2-g

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    Quote Originally Posted by smallcapgrowth View Post
    So if you win 30-50k in a hand at a carny game like mississippi stud they make you show ID? I thought they just give you chips and no w2-g
    Depends if it's a side-bet with higher odds, or whether it's the main bet. Once the payout crosses a certain odds-threshold, taxes are withheld.

    For example, Firebet on craps - I believe only the top payout is taxed. LL on Blackjack, I believe only the highest payout is taxed. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though, but this has been my experience.
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    Any payout exceeding $600 and at least 300 times the amount of the wager will require a W2-G. So carnival games with payouts of 300:1 or greater could generate a W2-G. I am not qualified to say what would happen next if this property has already trespassed you.

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    jay far as would they be able to identify you, well, chances are since they tried to trespass you, they likely took your photo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjackomaha View Post
    Depends if it's a side-bet with higher odds, or whether it's the main bet. Once the payout crosses a certain odds-threshold, taxes are withheld.

    For example, Firebet on craps - I believe only the top payout is taxed. LL on Blackjack, I believe only the highest payout is taxed. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though, but this has been my experience.
    Can anyone confirm this??? This seems like treading on dangerous slops if you use an alias to play under? Anyone like to comment?

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