showing ID at entrance and at tables

[beta]

All the casinos around where I live in the Midwest ask for ID at the entrance (for people like me who appear under 30). Around here they either put the ID in a scanning machine or put it under a device that takes a picture. I believe they usually just have a guy look at the ID out west and on the coast.

Is there any point in refusing to show ID at the tables when they could easily track me back to the entrance to figure out who I am?

Usually when they ask for my ID at the tables, they are really just double checking that I am 21. But I have been in at least one situation before when about 5 different pit bosses requested my ID before finally they told me they knew what I was doing and started shuffling every few hands (I believe they entered me into their system too.)

I think at many places they would just kick me out for refusing to show ID at the table even if they had no AP suspicions.

What is the best way to refuse to show ID at the table?
Should it be different for older people versus younger people?

Sometimes I wonder if refusing to show ID would create suspicions when there previously were not any suspicions.

[mofungoo]

See if you can get a wristband or a stamp when they check your ID at the door.

[RS]

Get a wristband at the entrance.

If no wristband -- gauge the situation and figure out if you want to show ID or not. If it's right when you sit down and are buying in and a boss comes over, "Hey can I check your ID? You got a card with us?" then it's likely simple protocol and not because they're onto you. Of course, if they're already on to you--judgement call. If you've been camped out for a few hours or done stuff to raise suspicion and a boss comes over and asks for ID (especially after being at the phone looking at you...or huddled up with a group of floor people), then it might be best to decline to show ID. The ol', "Yeah sure, let me get it for you *open wallet*, hmm...it should be right here....hmm...damnit I probably left it in my car/room again" should be a good way to decline ID without saying "No, I don't wish to show ID, my identification and personal information is my right....etc."

[Orangechip2]

Get a wristband at the entrance.

If no wristband -- gauge the situation and figure out if you want to show ID or not. If it's right when you sit down and are buying in and a boss comes over, "Hey can I check your ID? You got a card with us?" then it's likely simple protocol and not because they're onto you. Of course, if they're already on to you--judgement call. If you've been camped out for a few hours or done stuff to raise suspicion and a boss comes over and asks for ID (especially after being at the phone looking at you...or huddled up with a group of floor people), then it might be best to decline to show ID. The ol', "Yeah sure, let me get it for you *open wallet*, hmm...it should be right here....hmm...damnit I probably left it in my car/room again" should be a good way to decline ID without saying "No, I don't wish to show ID, my identification and personal information is my right....etc."

if you know that they know you're counting, hc or doing whatever it may be and you've been playing as a refusal when asked for ID why even engage in conversation with the floor and give surveillance the luxury of getting a good close up of you? Personally after I feel heat or im asked to show ID and I 100% know the person asking is doing so to compare/gain information I just reply "no english" or something cheezy to throw them in a loop and leave without even coloring up - same goes for going to the cage after sensing heat or being backed off.

[Orangechip2]

What is the best way to refuse to show ID at the table?

get a passport or a gun permit.

[RS]

if you know that they know you're counting, hc or doing whatever it may be and you've been playing as a refusal when asked for ID why even engage in conversation with the floor and give surveillance the luxury of getting a good close up of you? Personally after I feel heat or im asked to show ID and I 100% know the person asking is doing so to compare/gain information I just reply "no english" or something cheezy to throw them in a loop and leave without even coloring up - same goes for going to the cage after sensing heat or being backed off.

You should already be out of the casino before you're 100% certain they know you're doing something and about to get the tap. My post was referring to a heat-level lower than that, where they may be suspicious, but likely want your ID to check if you're in a database / to get your info for the back off and/or 86'ing.

[NotEnoughHeat]

Things may be different in your country. In mine, devices such as these, by law, are not allowed to store information. The information is suppose to stay on long enough for it to be run through a license database (not a casino one) then erased as soon as it is confirmed that you are of age. Nevertheless, I still feel do not like them, but fortunately most of the security personnel in my neck of the woods don't feel the need to go to the trouble as well and are ok with a good ol' fashioned eye check.

On another note, I'm not much of club dweller but I was at a simple bar the other day that required you to stare into a camera.

[Marlene]

Things may be different in your country. In mine, devices such as these, by law, are not allowed to store information. The information is suppose to stay on long enough for it to be run through a license database (not a casino one) then erased as soon as it is confirmed that you are of age. Nevertheless, I still feel do not like them, but fortunately most of the security personnel in my neck of the woods don't feel the need to go to the trouble as well and are ok with a good ol' fashioned eye check.

On another note, I'm not much of club dweller but I was at a simple bar the other day that required you to stare into a camera.

Be glad you are from a country that values privacy. Not so anymore in the US.

[mcallister3200]

Midwest is a different animal in some states for ID at entrance, if you look under 50 in some states, especially at an ameristar casino, have to deal with it at the entrance, which is what I believe OP is referring to here.

wristband is ideal, but in my experience there aren't a whole lot of places that do that and of you ask and they didn't offer a bit odd IMO. The wristband advice is solid sounding advice that's come from knowledgeable AP's, but usually comes from AP's who haven't been ID'd for age in over 20 years so isn't always that practical IMO.

[Tarzan]

Employ the same makeup artist that did Johnny Knoxville in "Bad Grandpa"?

[Sweaty]

Employ the same makeup artist that did Johnny Knoxville in "Bad Grandpa"?

I've been thinking about this for a while. If it has any longevity it could be practical in a place like Vegas.

[beta]

get a passport or a gun permit.

Why would a passport be any better than a driver's license? Passports have your name and birth date on them. Isn't that enough to uniquely identify you? Do gun permits have birth date too?

[Banker]

Passports are not easy to scan. Although, casinos now have wised up and got scans to accommodate passports. But for many casinos and hotels, passport will eliminate the scan of driver license. Also passports do not have addresses. They have to rely on you to provide the address.