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    5 years ago the book was worth 1000,s to the dedicated student.Now alot of the information is out there for free.I think the book will keep dropping in price.Unfortunately there are some unauthorized Illegal pdf copies of the book out there,but what do you expect from AP`s .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    Newbies who wish to spend big money should note that the
    book in question has almost nothing to do with Card Counting.

    It has a great deal to do with how to "hole card", and presents
    endless tables of data that are beyond the capacity of normal
    beings to memorize, and absurdly rare situation that you'll not
    encounter.

    If you want to discuss this with me in greater detail -
    please do so via P.M. or by posting an email address
    or texting number.

    Thank you for that advice, I have always been under the impression that the book was the BIBLE of card counting and takes a player to the next level. I have been a senior on this site for a couple of years, dont know if you recall the time I was most active. I am in possession of a decent BR now and am considering a move to vegas and an attempt at making this my career. I will soon become a paying member so you can PM me but in the meantime my email is [email protected] any any any advice is greatly appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mofungoo View Post
    Might be why JG named it "Beyond Counting".
    I want every advantage my little mind can acquire over the devil casinos. On my measly singular trip to vegas I saw SO many holes in the games they offer at various casinos that a poor trash person like me would be content simply making what I made in 4 days...$660. Just a decent Zen count and short sessions. I really can live with that. If there are ANY AP's on this site that can help me achieve my meager goal, please let me know and show me how.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dharmaprija View Post
    I want every advantage my little mind can acquire over the devil casinos. On my measly singular trip to vegas I saw SO many holes in the games they offer at various casinos that a poor trash person like me would be content simply making what I made in 4 days...$660. Just a decent Zen count and short sessions. I really can live with that. If there are ANY AP's on this site that can help me achieve my meager goal, please let me know and show me how.
    ZenMasterFlash's assessment seems to be of the "what is the book worth to me" variety. His numbers are not reflective at all of recent selling prices, to say the least. Be if far from me to even try to argue with a veteran, accomplished AP. I will say that I have read enough on the topic to qualify as at least a well seasoned hobbyist. It may just be reflective of my own lack of experience when I say this but I am not exaggerating when I say that every page I read for me contained new revelations, some epiphanous. Maybe ZenMaster intends on spoon feeding all who step to his trough of knowledge, although its hard to see how that would benefit him. The thing that I can say with utter certainty, having been a professional gambler in one form or another now for a decade is this, and the biggest mistakes I've ever made have taken this shape: Say you have two ways of executing a play, one expensive and one cheap, and by expensive I don't just mean money. Where the expensive one is guaranteed and the cheap one is not, the expensive one is very likely to be optimal so long as the cost is reasonable relative to the projected EV gained. What this boils down to fundamentally is that we tend to be very bad at accurately taking into account known unknowns and indeed abysmal at handling unknown unknowns.

    I could give almost endless examples of this from my own experience, just one being my stubborn refusal to move to a foreign country to chase bonus whoring opportunities, which likely cost me millions. Anyway, as worthless as the info may be to inveterate end bosses to me it was all new and if you are asking whats in the book, it will probably be all new to you. Can you find all the information you need for free? Maybe. Will it take you 4 years to acquire the bulk of the knowledge you could get in one reading? I don't know but similar things have happened to me, for example I wish I would have found a world class NL holdem coach when I took up that game, it would have saved me a world of pain and financial loss, but I didn't want to because it would have cost me thousands.

    Anyway as I said I will entertain any reasonable offer. Also I imagine there will be a floor on the price dropping due to the rarity of original copies. What that floor is I have no idea but I imagine its considerably north of $20, theres some chance it could appreciate as well. Rare books of substance and import do not often become so much toilet paper.
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    Whenever new information is published, that information has a lifespan. Eventually the casinos will figure out what is going on and institute countermeasures. I think back to the late 1970's when Wong published books on reading warps and other techniques that exploited the dealer checking for blackjack when showing a 10 as an upcard. These techniques were discussed freely in Wong's blackjack newsletters, so in a couple of years all the casinos changed procedures and now do not manually check for BJ with a 10 up.

    A lot of the material in CAA has been exposed by Jacobson, thus devaluing some of the information. Not all of the casinos read his website, so some opportunities still remain. Expect these to vanish within a few years. Consider this, and pricing, when purchasing information.

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    The OP is a "good" salesperson.

    Hence, he offers a dense fog of hyperbolic 'stuff and nonsense'.

    The book's "value" is determined by the purchaser's wants and needs.

    Not worth a thing to a illiterate/innumerate oxycoden-addicted homeless person.



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    Could anyone tell me the major differences between the CAA edition and the 2000 edition. For someone who wants to use this book more as a reference for play than as a collector item is it worth the 4 fold price difference? What material is included in the CAA edition that is not included in the earlier edition?

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    Most of the stuff in the book has NOT been stolen by Jacobsen.

    I made one MINOR play off of CAA that would easily pay for the book. Literally, the opportunity is so stupidly uncommon and...weird that I doubt most pros would even be scouting for it. But I made about $5000 just off of spotting one game at one casino.

    For a pro, the mathematic analysis of these games, alone, would easily be worth several times the asking price. The book is not out of date, at all. It remains the best book I have ever seen in our whole discipline, and it's not close.
    The Cash Cow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moo321 View Post
    Most of the stuff in the book has NOT been stolen by Jacobsen.

    I made one MINOR play off of CAA that would easily pay for the book. Literally, the opportunity is so stupidly uncommon and...weird that I doubt most pros would even be scouting for it. But I made about $5000 just off of spotting one game at one casino.

    For a pro, the mathematic analysis of these games, alone, would easily be worth several times the asking price. The book is not out of date, at all. It remains the best book I have ever seen in our whole discipline, and it's not close.

    The wizard of vegas owner once said : James Grosjean hides the gems of information(in his book beyond Counting Exhibit CAA) in a heap of rocks to make it hard for those on the other side to know how advantage players are really beating them.

    Can you tell what are gems that JG is trying to hides ?

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    The other side reads this forum, too.

    All I'll say is read everything, including footnotes, glossary and index.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    The other side reads this forum, too.

    All I'll say is read everything, including footnotes, glossary and index.

    send to my email : [email protected]

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