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    Why are my sim results worse than the archived sims in CVCX?

    When I pull up the archived sim of HiLo Full Indices I get a different bet ramp and much better SCORE than when I run the sim myself. I assume I have chosen an incorrect setting but I can't figure it out.

    Archived Sim
    HiLo Full Indices, 8D, 4 players, S17, DAS, Sr, RSA, 6.5/8 pen, 15:1 spread, $10 minimum bet, no backcounting (box left unchecked), play single spot
    Recommended bet ramp: 10/25/50/125/150 (at TC=4), SCORE 38.41, Win rate $31.25/hr, 8.5% ROR, N0 26,034

    My Sim (400 million rounds)
    HiLo Full Indices, 8D, 4 players, S17, DAS, Sr RSA, 6.5/8 pen, 15:1 spread, $10 minimum bet, Start play at shuffle, Wong out at -2 (lists backcounting at 40.2%)
    Bet ramp 10/10/25/50/100/125/150 (at TC=5), SCORE 23.21, Win rate $15.34/hr, 4.8% ROR, N0 43,083

    I assume the difference comes from my Wonging settings. Is the archived sim play all? If so, it should give worse, not better results, correct?

    I also ran the same custom sim as above but changed it to Wong in at +1 and Wong out at -1. No other changes. This is what I got:
    Bet ramp 10/15/25/50/75/100/100/150 (at TC=7), SCORE 49.2, Win rate $19.04, ROR 0.6%, N0 20,323

    A significantly slower bet ramp but much better SCORE. Why can't I mimic the archived sim results? Any idea what settings were used to create the archived sim?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardguy View Post
    When I pull up the archived sim of HiLo Full Indices I get a different bet ramp and much better SCORE than when I run the sim myself. I assume I have chosen an incorrect setting but I can't figure it out.

    Archived Sim
    HiLo Full Indices, 8D, 4 players, S17, DAS, Sr, RSA, 6.5/8 pen, 15:1 spread, $10 minimum bet, no backcounting (box left unchecked), play single spot
    Recommended bet ramp: 10/25/50/125/150 (at TC=4), SCORE 38.41, Win rate $31.25/hr, 8.5% ROR, N0 26,034

    My Sim (400 million rounds)
    HiLo Full Indices, 8D, 4 players, S17, DAS, Sr RSA, 6.5/8 pen, 15:1 spread, $10 minimum bet, Start play at shuffle, Wong out at -2 (lists backcounting at 40.2%)
    Bet ramp 10/10/25/50/100/125/150 (at TC=5), SCORE 23.21, Win rate $15.34/hr, 4.8% ROR, N0 43,083

    I assume the difference comes from my Wonging settings. Is the archived sim play all? If so, it should give worse, not better results, correct?

    I also ran the same custom sim as above but changed it to Wong in at +1 and Wong out at -1. No other changes. This is what I got:
    Bet ramp 10/15/25/50/75/100/100/150 (at TC=7), SCORE 49.2, Win rate $19.04, ROR 0.6%, N0 20,323

    A significantly slower bet ramp but much better SCORE. Why can't I mimic the archived sim results? Any idea what settings were used to create the archived sim?

    Thanks!
    Please take a screen shot and paste it here for the two sims.

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    Sorry, how do I do that?

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    This is my attempt to post the screenshots. If it works, the first one is the Archived sim and the second one is my own personally created sim
    Archived.jpgMy Sim.jpg

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    Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardguy View Post
    Any thoughts?
    The archive sim is ran for 2 billion rounds. You only ran your simulation for 400 millions rounds. Did you try to ran your simulation for 2 billions rounds and compare it with the archive simulation? The archive simulation is for Hi-lo full indices play all.

    Backcounting 40.2%? In this case you are playing in more negative situation. As a general rule of thumb when backcounting an eight deck game the play have an advantage nearly 20% of the time in positive counts. When backcounting is 40.2% percentage you are playing at too much disadvantage situations.
    Last edited by seriousplayer; 12-23-2015 at 08:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardguy View Post
    I assume the difference comes from my Wonging settings. Is the archived sim play all? If so, it should give worse, not better results, correct?
    Thanks!
    %W/L values are as you expected.

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    Turn off manually adjust min bet and dramatically reduce the spread when wonging.
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