If You Can Get 1k every month. 1k is all u can spend each month on BJ. What's your suggestions on the bet spread?
If I'm just wonging in then what should My Bet Be as I Sit Down On a TC +3, RC +14?
$3MIN - $200 MAX
Should I Bet In 2 Spots or 1?
Is it Better to Bet $100 in 1 Spot or $50 on 2 Spots each?
What TC Should I Wong Out in?
I usually Wong out when I'm on Top.
I know I should probably save a bigger BR. But I am Just Seen what Peoples suggestions are.
Last edited by BlackAce; 12-18-2015 at 02:23 PM.
Do not bother playing with such a "bankroll." Get a second job and save money until you can afford to play.
From some of your questions, it is obvious you have much to learn (no disrespect intended) before you can seriously hope to successfully take on casinos. If you feel a "need" to play despite not being able to afford to, you should consider that you might be prone to a gambling addiction. Gambling addiction is not compatible with advantage play.
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You simply cannot play BJ effectively and reliably with less than $10,000
I am a professional; so I keep $100,000 in a money market account where
I can always access a nice fraction of that for a couple of days of play.
When I turned Pro in 1992 I had 7 years of play as an amateur, including 3
years using the ZEN Count; but I had a bankroll of 50 K and the games
were "softer" then.
Speaking only partially for myself, I can tell you that the majority of the
reliable posters on this forum are between 52 and 70 yrs. old.
Learn from your elders.
He should know what is necessary and the risk he is taking. He can play for peanuts and bust out some. He can play for a small wage and bust out a lot or he can go Hail Mary and almost assuredly bust his month BR. Best advice is to spend a year studying and practicing and saving that $1K up. He will then have $12K and know most of what can be learned outside of a casino. He would at least have a decent chance at succeeding. If he will still be able to add $1K/month to his BR he can use the replenish able BR formulas to calculate his attack. Anyone encouraging him to play with a $1K BR is doing him a disservice.Originally Posted by ZeeBabar
I guess you would teach a guy to use a gun by answering his questions but not teach him how to do it safely or giving him necessary info he didn't ask about and then be fine watching him blow his head off doing something stupid.
I would treat like a Hail Mary bankroll each month BUT if I do not bust out then I would accumulate until I had a 10K bankroll.
At the outset, I would play with $10 units and and a 1-12 spread. Play 2 hands of $100 at your big bet. If you bust out, go home and start over next month. I would treat each month as a trip and accumulate bankroll if I don't bust out. If I win then do the same ramp and accumulate money.
When I get to 10K re-evaluate my ramp and play.
Understand that this program is intended to take advantage of short term variance to strengthen my bankroll and may not work! You may lose 1K every month for longer than you can stomach!!!
If you are fortunate and ride some positive variance and get you roll to 10K or more then get more serious about managing your risk and protecting your bank.
This is not conservative, prudent behavior, but taking a shot at using an inferior bank to boot strap to a a bank that is workable.
Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!
To answer your question, if you have a monthy source of $ 1000 that you can add to your renewable bankroll, you can play. However, from the questions you asked, we can tell that you are not ready to play. You should spend about 3 months saving your monthy amount, reading, learning the game and answering your own questions from the following:
There is a renewable bankroll formula here: http://www.bj21.com/bj_reference/pag...lformula.shtml
There is also a renewable bankroll formula in Blackjack Attack. I can't give you the page number because I don't have it with me right now.
However, if you use the first formula, save your first three months income and plug the figures into the formula, depending on the game quality and how many rounds you play a month, you can use the computed value as your bankroll for betting purposes. I estimate it will be somewhere around $10,000 - $12,000 depending on the input factors. This is just an educated guess on my part.
You should also use part of the money to buy CVCX and CVBlackjack and of course a few good books.
I hope this helps.
Play within your bankroll, pick your games with care and learn everything you can about the game. The winning will come. It has to. It's in the cards. -- Bryce Carlson
I know at least 2 people that did it with a few thousand dollars ,of course it is possible but it is not likely to happen . You will need exceptional games(hard to find at low stakes) and a lot hours to play . You are basically playing with a session bank of 1k . i would say $50 x2 or $75 x 1 wong in at tc 3 and wong out once it drops to tc0. . No cover needed. As Stealth said..., Also Good Luck .
Starting with $1,000 will be tough... I started with a $3,000 (not all at once) and my BR took off when I was down to my last $500 or $700. I took the remaining bit of my "bankroll" and grew it to $33,500 over the course of 3 months. Once my BR hit the $25K to $30K mark, I started to take the game MUCH more seriously, because that's when I felt like I really had something worth protecting. I started to join forums, purchased software, read multiple BJ books, learned more indices, etc.
I was very naive and my ignorance is what led to my good fortune. I was operating on an EXTREMELY high RoR, similar to a Hail Mary BR, and never even realized it. It only came to my attention once I accumulated a somewhat healthy BR and after doing my homework. So I won't say that it can't be done, but the odds are definitely stacked against you. I agree with LVBear; based on some of your previous posting, you still have much to learn and I would consider staying away from the casino until you get some more experience (via software) under your belt and save up a little more money for a starting BR.
Other than sheer luck (positive variance); the only other thing that could have attributed to my current success in this endeavor, is the fact that I have a strong background in business. I'm self employed and have been managing several retail businesses (with anywhere from 10-30 employees) for the past 10 years. And that's exactly how I treat AP Blackjack; like a business. Because that's exactly what it is! Since my BR reached $33,500, It dropped to it's lowest point of $17K and got back to an ATH (all time high) of $48K at one point. I'm currently finishing my 2nd year of AP blackjack and my BR is sitting in the high 30's/low 40's. I have access to much more cash, but this amount is what has stemmed from the original $3K that I started with. I don't consider my current BR very big at all, but I'm confident that I will continue to succeed because I play on a pretty low RoR and I have access to more money If need be. Discipline is key to this game! Never letting your emotions get involved. I know a couple of other guys who started counting and grew their meager BR to about $10K, only to lose it all because they have too much "gamble" in them. They let their emotions get the best of them and went bust as a result.
Anyway, sorry to bore you with my life story, but I thought I would chime in and share my personal experience. I'm still fairly new to AP Blackjack, but I will say that I've grown a lot as an AP over the last couple years, so take my advice for what it's worth. Be sure to listen to ZMF and LVBear; These guys have been around for a long time and have 10x more experience than I do. I'm sure there's a possibility to grow your $1,000 into a healthy BR, but don't be too disappointed if it doesn't work out either. Not to be a downer, but the odds won't be in your favor. Best of luck!
I had a decent BR between 10K and 20K. I got tired of the low EV and the crazy swings and wanted to try something that hadn't been tried before. I invented my own system and ran $800 experimental BR taken out of my regular BR and in a little over 2 years of play and continual tweaking to the new way of attacking games ran that into a 6 figure BR. In retrospect I can tell you I was very very lucky not to have busted out that $800. The rest of my starting BR that the $800 was taken from is no longer considered part of my BR. Once the BR hit 30K I put it into my personal funds. I was not a beginner and use a very advanced system so I may have busted out in your shoes. Also I did have the 10K plus sitting on the sideline so I played differently than if I didn't have it there since it was there I busted the experimental mini-BR. But it can be done.
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