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    Does CVBJ have the ability to perform real-world shuffle?

    In CVBJ I notice I don't see the dealer perform real-world shuffle as they are done in a real casino. Like for example the casino wash, riffle, strips and cuts when the dealers shuffles the cards. It occurs to me that Casino Verite perform random card selection using a random number generator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    It occurs to me that Casino Verite perform random card selection using a random number generator.
    It's hard for a computer to do a real shuffle seriousplayer. It doesn't have any fingers!

    I just couldn't resist that one.

    I have CVShuffle on mine and it does an animated shuffle plus you can define any shuffle you want and it will actually perform the shuffle on screen. I forgot how just CVBJ does it since I've had CVShuffle for so long. It still uses a random number generator though.

    Edit: Ok, I know an automatic shuffler is computer driven.
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    It probably does a Fisher-Yates shuffle before dealing the cards. The animation is just for show.

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    CVData can perform real world shuffles that you specify.

    https://www.qfit.com/blackjack-simulator.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloXe View Post
    It probably does a Fisher-Yates shuffle before dealing the cards. The animation is just for show.
    If you wish to talk about your software here, I have no problem with that. But, stating that parts of other software are "just for show" will probably not aide you in gaining the trust of readers. CVBJ has three kinds of shuffling:

    1. Random shuffle
    No, not a Fisher-Yates shuffle.

    2. Biased shuffle
    Practice with a game is slow because 95% of hands are easy. Five kinds of deck biases are optionally added to force more difficult hands as follows:
    Ø Positive Counts - When set, the dealer will deal more cards with positive
    counts early in the shoe. This forces a counter to count high counts and then to
    count positive numbers downward in the second half of the shoe.
    Ø Negative Counts - When set, the dealer will deal more cards with negative
    counts early in the shoe. This forces a counter to count large negative numbers
    and then to count negative numbers upward in the second half of the shoe.
    Ø Many Card Hands - When set, the dealer will deal more small cards forcing you
    to count both the hand value and card count at the same time. Many people find
    this difficult.
    Ø Repeat Errors - If this option is set, playing errors will be tracked and
    the dealer is more likely to deal hands that you have not handled correctly in
    the past.
    Ø Difficult Hands - When set, the dealer increases the number of hands with close
    decisions.
    Ø Randomize Bias - Set this option and the bias will be randomly switched to one
    of the five above. This will give you a real workout.
    Ø Bias Level - The farther to the right, the greater the bias level. That
    is, the more biased the dealing.


    3. Actual shuffle
    An actual casino shuffle is performed. With the CVShuffle add-in, you are allowed to customize this in extreme detail with defined variations at each step. For example, you can change the riffle precision pseudo-randomly throughout the shuffle to simulate the angle of the cards against the dealer's thumbs. 200 steps are supported in each shuffle, and a Stepladder or Riffle & Restack are one step. The animation is certainly not for show. It mimics the defined shuffle, including the pseudo-random variations in grabs, plugs, etc. This is needed because each shuffle is a bit different and you must see the shuffle for shuffle-tracking or ace-tracking. The CVData/ST simulator also supports these shuffles.
    Last edited by Norm; 01-24-2016 at 07:57 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloXe View Post
    It probably does a Fisher-Yates shuffle before dealing the cards. The animation is just for show.
    ApolloXe, you will spend years getting your program to do what CVBJ and CVShuffle do. It keeps the location of every single card in the deck during the shuffle, then how the cards are arranged after a riffle or strip etc. You can break the discards down any way you like, insert the plugs any way you like. You can then see a color coded bar of each card in the deck showing how Aces, tens etc are scattered in the deck. Then you can see a diagram with the starting discards and the final shuffled cards with colored lines drawn for every card in the deck. here it started and where it wound up after the shuffle. You can set any grab sizes you want and also make allowances for varying grab sizes. You can even set the accuracy of the dealer's riffles etc.

    You may have a very good program and I hope you do but you would be wise not to compare it with the CV products.
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