What to do - dealer error in my favor

[mickeymouse]

I played my regular 21 session today.
It was my fifth win in a row. I am now in the unenviable position of hoping for some means for my venue to record a loss!

During this session, one of the dealers erroneously payed out one of my doubles even though it was a push. No-one else on the table noticed. It was a double from a $50 original bet, so it totalled $100. The dealer and I bot got 19.

While I have, on a number of occasions, had errors go my way, and have gotten away with it, I have never had one of this size.

I didn't say anything and the pit staff did not notice, and play continued as usual.

Is there anything I should have done / should do?

[RS]

Nothing to do. You did the right thing, IMO.

[Norm]

Take the money and say three hail Mary's.

[Marlene]

The dealer is the expert trained by the casino. You are there to have fun, not do their job for them.

[terry0222]

Just for the record, if I given too much change in a store, I return the "extra" to the clerk. Ethics would say it is not my money, just because the clerk made a mistake. I take the same stance in a casino. I point out errors that are against me, and also errors that favor me.

I do lots of things wrong, but keeping money I am not entitled to is not one of them.

I suppose this differs from the "take the money and keep your mouth shut" philosophy. But, ethics are ethics.

As for the statement, "You are there to have fun, not do their [the dealer's] job for them." Actually, I am NOT there for fun, although I do enjoy the bj experience and enjoy taking more money out of the casino than I leave behind. But let's do it with a sense of honesty.

[stopgambling]

It is your call . some take the money and some don't . these people are only saying what they think. Do what you think is right. you can also tell them that you are counting and so what " i am entitle to play the game to best of my ability" . they will tell you "we can restrict your play or we run a business for profit here "

[stopgambling]

This world is more than black and white . Do what you think is right. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with your thinking.

[Speedy99]

I have seen this happen before and after a few rounds the PB came up and request you give the money back the Eye
caught it

[BJGenius007]

I have seen this happen before and after a few rounds the PB came up and request you give the money back the Eye
caught it

I saw it happen many times. But only big bets. I think if the amount is under $200 or $300, the casinos will let it slide. The smallest amount I saw surveillance team came down to ask player give back is $400. Personally I have got $200 mispay from dealers many times. I continued playing for hours without being asked to give it back.

[Stealth]

I do lots of things wrong, but keeping money I am not entitled to is not one of them.

I commend your commitment to ethical behavior. I too return money in retail store if given incorrect change.

The enigma is the casino environment and what constitutes and error. Certainly, it is obvious if you are under or over payed. I can assure you I am aware of the casino coming to a player and requiring the money overpaid be returned. But I find it odd, that I have never experienced or heard of any casino staff coming to table and paying a player because he was under paid. Would welcome any evidence otherwise.

To add to the confusion, I would ask what is the ethical thing to do if you have a 12 and the dealer has a 4 up and you intend to stand but erroneously hit and get a 7. The dealer then shows a ten in the hole for 14 and hits and bust. You made a mistake that cost the casino in real money just like the miss-pay. You are not entitled to the money due to an error. How do you ethically handle this. Reverse the scenario, is the dealer going to take the card back?

I hope you can see that the intent of the game is for one player to win from the other. There are countless opportunities and errors that might raise an ethics question. The obfuscation of "right and wrong" can even be considered when the casino offers a game to the public with rules they set and then disallow certain people to play because they can use their brains. Do you find this ethical? Perhaps, they are taking advantage of the less learned?

In summary, my intent was not to challenge you stance on your ethics, to be sure, I admire that. It was to hopefully cause a broader look at the casino environment and perhaps influence your application of ethics. Everything is not always black and white.

[mickeymouse]

Casinos have no redeeming value; if they make an error to their own detriment, serve themselves.

[WABJ11]

I don't think keeping extra change from a retail store is a fair comparison to a casino. If I am overpaid in ANY clothes, restaurant, gas station store etc... I always give the change back because that is the ethical and right thing to do. But when youre playing in a casino your up against a company who takes advantage of vulnerable people, among other not nice things.

Have you ever ever ever seen a casino come down and tell someone they were underpaid? Hell no. But if you are over paid, they WILL let you know. This is not a fair practice among others things casinos do which is why I have no problem keeping over pays.

Everyone has their own philosophy on this, and that's fine. But I have no problem keeping a casinos money on a mis-pay because let's get real here: casinos are evil empires.

[ZeeBabar]

Ethics are, as Stealth, says, tough to apply. What if your pointing out a dealer error gets the dealer fired? The other day, I was playing green next to a guy playing greens and black. The dealer picks up the 4 chips (3 greens 1 black) of his lost bet, puts 1black and 1 green (to pay off my $50) by my bet and moves on to pay off others. She obviously did not notice the black under the green. I did not either but a round later, when I lost my $50 and went to put another 2 green chips out I noticed I had a black chip. I pocketed it.

Another time, the dealer assumed I was not going to hit my 16 but other players noted my request to hit. The dealer bypassed me, flipped her card, a 4, and busted. Had she given me the 9 she busted with, I would have lost the bet. However, if she had turned up a 5, she would have made her hand and I would have made a fuss that I had requested a hit.

i guess it depends upon what kind of error and the dealer. If I dislike a dealer, I am less likely to point out an error.