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    Opinion about heat levels at this chain

    I've played at CEC properties in a few different locations and have found this chain to pretty tolerant compared to most others. I've played at props in MO, IN, IA, and Vegas, and I've experienced little to no heat at this chain. I've had many long and aggressive sessions at a lot of these properties with no issues before. I have a work related trip coming up soon and I have a couple comped nights at one of this chain's properties. I typically would never play where I stay, but it's the only casino in the area and I need to be there for work anyway. My style of play is very aggressive and has consequently lead to BO's/countermeasures even in some of the most tolerant stores. Since I'm staying at this casino's hotel, I plan on using a polite spread vs. my usual style of play.

    I'm trying to decide how "polite" to keep my action, which is why I'm looking for opinions. I'd be interested to know if anyone else shares a similar opinion on the observations I've made regarding this particular chain. I have no plans of getting too aggressive, because getting evicted from my room doesn't sound appealing. But I don't want to hold back too much either and leave a bunch of EV on the table. Plus I'd like to keep the comps coming since I might travel out this way in the future for work purposes. Looking for a happy medium. Opinions? Thanks.

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    Just because you stay at the hotel does not mean you have to play rated when you walk into the casino. Maybe you should just walk in and play unrated. If you lose a session, hand in your players card, get the loss on your record.

    To me, it seems you are being greedy. Short sessions, modest wins under $1k and preserving your reputation would be my advice, especially at this chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Just because you stay at the hotel does not mean you have to play rated when you walk into the casino. Maybe you should just walk in and play unrated. If you lose a session, hand in your players card, get the loss on your record.
    ZeeBabar, just because a player has a losing session does not mean they did not EXPOSE themselves with a series of spreading large bets. If you think having some short term negative flux in a casino allows you a free ride for a while you are mistaken.

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    I don't know Bosox, some say that life time winnings determine your longevity with some chains. Booking losses, avoiding accurate booking of wins (your exit strategy, ratholing, etc) and such help when playing rated. At one casino, last year, my records showed I won about $3k but their won/loss records showed I had lost about $8k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    ZeeBabar, just because a player has a losing session does not mean they did not EXPOSE themselves with a series of spreading large bets. If you think having some short term negative flux in a casino allows you a free ride for a while you are mistaken.

    Agreed. Often a big loss is the trigger for a back off. They are concerned if you are a threat. Some places that means any card counter. Other places it means counters with that consistently win money. Other places it just means anyone that has a lucky streak. Other places it means counters with sufficient BR's. For the latter their only indication is if your buy-in grows large through repeated buy-ins.

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    To answer Ryemo's query:

    CET properties are almost reflexively avoided by serious BJ players.

    Among professionals, such as myself, we have long-referred to them

    as "The Evil Empire", for two reasons.


    They have been the pioneers in transmogrifying blackjack;

    and their paranoia and vigilance when it comes to dealing

    with us.

    I have been 86'd, evicted from my suites, and "trespassed"

    more from their properties than all others in the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    To answer Ryemo's query:

    CET properties are almost reflexively avoided by serious BJ players.

    Among professionals, such as myself, we have long-referred to them

    as "The Evil Empire", for two reasons.


    They have been the pioneers in transmogrifying blackjack;

    and their paranoia and vigilance when it comes to dealing

    with us.

    I have been 86'd, evicted from my suites, and "trespassed"

    more from their properties than all others in the USA.
    Thanks ZMF. A friend of mine (also long time pro) refers to them as the The Evil Empire as well. I suppose I've gotten lucky at the properties I've played at; although, I haven't spent too much time in CEC props, because there aren't any in my area. Coincidentally, 3/4 of the props I have played at actually resulted in heavy losses, and I booked a modest win and broke even twice over the course of 3 sessions at the 4th property. Maybe that could better explain the low heat I've experienced on these particular occasions.

    I'll tread lightly on my upcoming trip.

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    Name someCEC properties in Missouri please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Name someCEC properties in Missouri please.
    https://www.totalrewards.com/content...sino-locations

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    Harrahs in K.C., MO

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    I would avoid rated bj at cet properties. They sweat hard, usually games are lousy except in some states, more importantly there are better plays there if you are clean with the chain.

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    So the Evil Empire strikes. Got to my hotel and headed to the casino... Played less than an hour and got backed off. I feel like my spread was much more polite than anything I would ever lay down on the felt back home. I barely even got to show my spread once. My guess is that my name is in database that links back to Vegas. I've never played on a card in Vegas since learning to count, but my last BO in sin city took place at a strip casino (non chain) and I was picked off less than 10 min. They even addressed me by name. So I can only assume I made my way into one of the databases...

    Luckily I was not banned from the casino, ONLY blackjack. The pit was friendly at least. Not getting too comfortable in my room though, just in case... At least I'll keep busy working since I won't be playing blackjack for the next couple nights anymore. :/

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    So ... you (foolishly) ignored our consensus advice.

    Your name is mud, with CET, nation wide, and along

    with your photos, you have been given a spot in their

    data base.

    With luck, you may have avoided being reported to

    Griffin Investigations and O.S.N.

    You said ...
    "I was not banned from the casino, ONLY blackjack. The pit was friendly at least."

    Both of those statements are essentially meaningless, and are typical for low stakes chip players.

    Had you been a Black chipper, you would have possibly been trespassed and immediately evicted.

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