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    "Counter Basic Strategy"


    We need a thread on playing blackjack with what I think
    of as a possibly workable means of gaining longevity via:

    Starting with "Counter Basic Strategy" using a B.S. altered to
    use the "correct" play at Hi-Lo T.C. +1 and NO Risk Aversion.

    Obviously an aggressive betting ramp will be
    needed !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    We need a thread on playing blackjack with what I think
    of as a possibly workable means of gaining longevity via:

    Starting with "Counter Basic Strategy" using a B.S. altered to
    use the "correct" play at Hi-Lo T.C. +1 and NO Risk Aversion.

    Obviously an aggressive betting ramp will be
    needed !
    Good idea, 3 points, 1 with possible slight alteration of idea.
    1.A lot of counters are made quickly because of robotic ramping of let's say 1x25 to 2x50 or 100 at +1, as an example.
    2.i don't think it's ever been brought up, however, there is a certain amount of camo built in to Risk Averse Plays. Example, it is correct to double 8v6 at plus 1 (not 44). I never do, because it is far to common a hand - the question by the pit being why so much discrepancy in not doubling all 8v6 (at 0 or below). The overall long term gain, in any event at plus 1 is minimal. I do double at plus 3 or greater - to much long term value not to.
    3. I have somewhere in my old files a list of low cost errors. i don't use them much, but there is some value to them at levels a over red chip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    " ... a list of low cost errors."
    Yes, "Cover Plays" and other matters of "camouflage" are

    important in the 21st Century plague of Casino Paranoia.

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    "I have somewhere in my old files a list of low cost errors."

    Might that file include pp. 97-99 of BJA3 and the discussion on the following pages?

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    We need a thread on playing blackjack with what I think
    of as a possibly workable means of gaining longevity via:

    Starting with "Counter Basic Strategy" using a B.S. altered to
    use the "correct" play at Hi-Lo T.C. +1 and NO Risk Aversion.

    Obviously an aggressive betting ramp will be needed !
    Thank you ZMF for the heads up for Hi Lo players needing aggressive betting ramps. I will keep this in mind, because I also would like the luxury to be able to afford Blue Mountain coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    "I have somewhere in my old files a list of low cost errors."

    Might that file include pp. 97-99 of BJA3 and the discussion on the following pages?

    Don
    Actually not, though I think I'll compare the 2 - I'm sure there will be some similarities

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Actually not, though I think I'll compare the 2 - I'm sure there will be some similarities
    Don
    Indeed there are. I have to go strictly from memory, as my "basic strategy error chart" is not on the computer I thought it was. Of your referenced pages, I especially like page 99, which I think would be the most useful for most players, as it gives an absolute cost in dollars and cents, and thus, would be the easiest to understand. My info, simply outlined the term of low cost, without actually placing the value of that cost.

    One of the interesting conclusions I draw from page 99, is that some costs are so minor(also in my chart, if I find it), that the house may not consider the deviation to be a mistake.

    In any event, think I'll keep page 99 open for a day or so to refresh myself on the topic.
    Last edited by Freightman; 10-30-2015 at 12:15 PM. Reason: Responding to Don, thought I would correct the spelling error :) no need to ruin his weekend

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Yes, "Cover Plays" and other matters of "camouflage" are

    important in the 21st Century plague of Casino Paranoia.
    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    "I have somewhere in my old files a list of low cost errors."

    Might that file include pp. 97-99 of BJA3 and the discussion on the following pages?

    Don

    Also, just a reminder to look at pp. 135-136 in Snyder's Big Book of Blackjack about the cost of certain deviations, too.
    "Women and cats will do as they please, and Men and dogs should just relax and get used to the idea" --- Robert A. Heinlein

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    "I have somewhere in my old files a list of low cost errors."

    Might that file include pp. 97-99 of BJA3 and the discussion on the following pages?

    Don
    Counting cards and using the count to vary your bet while using only basic strategy as playing decisions does not take into consideration the bet spread the counter uses when the advantage switch from the house to the player.

    Counting cards and using the count to vary your bet while deviating from basic strategy (index plays, Ill18, fab) also does not take into consideration the bet spread the counter uses when the advantage switch from the house to the player.

    Counting cards and using a counter basic strategy takes into consideration the bet spread the counter uses when the advantage switch from the house to the player. For example lets use the Hi-lo count as an example. In Hi-lo 16 vs 10 is a stand when TC >= 1 deviating from basic strategy based on the count. On the other hand in counter basic strategy you stand on 16 vs 10 when the count is to your advantage taking into consideration the increase in your bet when the TC >= 1. If count is below TC >= 0 play basic strategy.This is something Index Playing strategies does not do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    " ... counter basic strategy you stand on 16 vs 10 when the count is to your advantage taking into consideration the increase in your bet when the TC >= 1." If count is below TC >= 0 play basic strategy.
    I shall elaborate a bit on this trend.

    (the following applies to some numbers
    of decks and may be for H17 or S17
    )


    • Standing on Ace 7 v Ace
    • Standing on 12 v 4, 5, and 6
    • Surrendering 15 v 10, and 16 v 9
    • Doubling on Ace 6 v 2
    • Doubling on Ace 3, 4, 5 vs 4
    • Doubling A 8 v 6
    • Doubling 9 v 2
    • Split 3-3 v 2 (H17, DAS)
    • Split 4-4 v 5 (S17, DAS)


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