Setting Strategies on Verite

**BJprive** · 10-28-2015, 02:58 AM

I'm trying to drill myself with basic strategy charts by using "flash cards" in verite.

In terms of settings, i don't really know what are the best strategies to enter that are conducive to today's game.

For basic Rules i check "double after split" but is that more common than "no double after split"?
What about Dealer hits soft 17? <--- i drill myself without it.
I leave the "no hole card" unchecked as well.

Can someone please tell me, if i am to commit to memory only a few charts, would it be the Basic Strategy here: http://www.online-casinos.com/images...jack-chart.gif

As well as the Illustrious 18+ Fab 4 index?

Are those the best things to do?

Thanks

**Norm** · 10-28-2015, 03:29 AM

H17, DAS is very common. Tables can be found at: https://www.blackjackinfo.com/blackj...rategy-engine/

**BJprive** · 10-28-2015, 07:56 PM

Hi Norm,

there are so many rules though, and each rule requires a different chart. Is it correct to assume that if u ONLY learn the chart for the following rules: 6-deck, dealer stands S17, Double Any 2 Cards, Double After Split allowed, and late surrender... you'll be fine to play in other games including double deck games Where its H17, Double only 10,11,, No DAS, No surrender?

My plan was to only memorize that one chart, utilize hi-lo and remember the indexes..... is that good enough to count at any casino so long as its 3:2 and Has good penetration?

what i mean by good enough means +EV

**Three** · 10-28-2015, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by BJprive

Where its H17, Double only 10,11,, No DAS, No surrender?

These are pretty crappy rules. I would not want to leave any advantage on the table. As for you definition of fine I don't know. Double only 10 and 11 is a crappy rule NoDAS is also bad. I assume its a pitch game. Being fine could depend on the spread you use. You didn't mention that at all. I assume they are fairly tolerant of large spreads with such crappy rules.

**BJprive** · 10-28-2015, 08:26 PM

I have not actually counted cards in a casino yet, so i have no idea what typical rules a casino has. Do most counters commit to memory both charts for H17 and S17, as well as No DAS, or No surrender? Or do they usually just memorize one and go with it? From reading norm's book there doesnt seem to be that big of a difference in terms of % between the two charts and its more important to put in hours is that correct?

**Three** · 10-29-2015, 01:16 AM

There are only a few differences between H17 and S17. If you aren't going to avoid no DAS you should learn the correct indices for the splits. No surrender doesn't really change anything since it just means you won't use the surrender indices.

**BigJer** · 10-30-2015, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by BJprive

I have not actually counted cards in a casino yet, so i have no idea what typical rules a casino has. Do most counters commit to memory both charts for H17 and S17, as well as No DAS, or No surrender?

Though there are no big differences between the H17 and S17 many AP I have known do memorize both tables. I do part of which is I will be on a team where both charts must be memorized. There is also a S17 game nearish to me.

Or do they usually just memorize one and go with it? From reading norm's book there doesnt seem to be that big of a difference in terms of % between the two charts and its more important to put in hours is that correct?

My feeling is get as much as you can out of the strategies. There are differences - minor at that - like H17 9,9 split against an A at TC+1 and with S17 split at TC+3. And DD 11 vs. A at TC+1 in S17 and DD TC0 at H17. (These were taken from PRO BJ hardcopy by Wong.) Darn it! Make that extra 5 cents for every $100 you bet! Mumble mumble. (Now that I turned 61 yesterday I'm going to turn into a grouchy old man!)

**BigJer** · 10-30-2015, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Tthree

There are only a few differences between H17 and S17. If you aren't going to avoid no DAS you should learn the correct indices for the splits. No surrender doesn't really change anything since it just means you won't use the surrender indices.

True. There are some differences with DAS and NDAS.

**Banjoclan** · 11-02-2015, 03:15 PM

I'm a newb also but I tried to look up the casino(s) that I was going to ahead of time and memorize that table. You can go to wizardofodds and find the rules to all the Vegas ones and you can buy a subscription to Current BJ News to get rules for casinos around the country. I kind of made a plan of attack and wrote down the casinos that I was going to play in. Most of them had very few rule differences (especially if you kept to the same amount of decks) and you may find that just because of the lower limits you won't have a huge selection of different games to choose anyway. If you memorize one standard table from the rules of the Casino that you're going to, then if you go to another casino with different rules you can just learn the few changes.