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    25 ways to camouflage?


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    I remember a lot of this was listed many many years ago by Arnold Snyder in Blackjack Forum. A lot of it is obsolete, but there are a few nuggets. Unfortunately table games managers don't care if you play slots or keno. The eye doesn't care either. If you play enough craps or roulette to look like a craps or roulette player, chances are that you are a craps or roulette player. The article also understates the cost of making big bets in 0 counts. Those aren't coin-flips and variance is a big issue.

    The best cover continues to be keeping your individual sessions to a reasonable length and keeping your bet spread and top bet within the tolerance range of that casino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigplayer View Post
    If you play enough craps or roulette to look like a craps or roulette player, chances are that you are a craps or roulette player.
    Quote of the month.
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    I am not very impressed with that list. Most are nothing new, common sense things, we have all heard before. A few are actually quite detrimental. I personally think the palming chips and even openly moving chips in and out of your pockets is a horrible idea. Either way, the pit will peg you are a player that removes chips and you will then be credited with any and all chips that they cannot account for from that table (and future tables if you are playing rated or known). It will have the exact opposite effect as intended.

    In my opinion, this bigplayer quote "The best cover continues to be keeping your individual sessions to a reasonable length and keeping your bet spread and top bet within the tolerance range of that casino" is a stronger tip and worth more than all 25 of the tips from the article combined.

    I believe the idea of camouflage and cover plays is one of those things that is becoming outdated in the modern games of 2015. Sure, I still use a few, as discussed recently, but you are likely to have less success trying to trick surveillance and pit these days. You will have more success identifying casino's that are more tolerant, and identifying what limits and win amounts, (both session and lifetime) and session time frames limits fall within their comfort levels.
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    The site sells scam systems. The page doesn't fit the rest of the site and was obviously pulled from other sources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigplayer View Post
    I remember a lot of this was listed many many years ago by Arnold Snyder in Blackjack Forum. A lot of it is obsolete, but there are a few nuggets. Unfortunately table games managers don't care if you play slots or keno. The eye doesn't care either. If you play enough craps or roulette to look like a craps or roulette player, chances are that you are a craps or roulette player. The article also understates the cost of making big bets in 0 counts. Those aren't coin-flips and variance is a big issue.

    The best cover continues to be keeping your individual sessions to a reasonable length and keeping your bet spread and top bet within the tolerance range of that casino.
    What would you say on average, throughout most of the United States, the tolerance to be at medium to large chains? Is 2x250 usually tolerable? Yes this is a very general question, but im looking for a nice ballpark tolerance level on AVERAGE. I would think somewhere around 2x200 and 2x250 would be a tolerance level that many medium to large stores would tolerate, am i right? Or is it possibly 2x300?

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    I mean it varies everywhere and even within the same casino. I played a couple joints where nobody cared about 25-2x250 on the main floor but in high limit they would sweat you before you even raised your bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggg View Post
    I mean it varies everywhere and even within the same casino. I played a couple joints where nobody cared about 25-2x250 on the main floor but in high limit they would sweat you before you even raised your bet.
    Many places will sweat you in HL if you A) play unrated or B) are an unknown and especially if both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    What would you say on average, throughout most of the United States, the tolerance to be at medium to large chains? Is 2x250 usually tolerable? Yes this is a very general question, but im looking for a nice ballpark tolerance level on AVERAGE. I would think somewhere around 2x200 and 2x250 would be a tolerance level that many medium to large stores would tolerate, am i right? Or is it possibly 2x300?
    I know this was directed at bigplayer, and I don't want to step on any toes, but I have a couple thoughts, if that's ok.

    Most of my play takes place in Vegas, as I am sure you know, but I do several trips a year to east coast and a couple other destinations.

    I want to say that $500 is a key number. It is a threshold number at many places. It is a number that really starts to get noticed, much more than $400. For this reason some players concerned about this (myself included in some situations) stop at $400 or $450. Personally, I don't like $450 as it gets into multiple color wagers. I don't like to do that at my high-end wager. One color keeps things moving. Below $400, in the $250-$300 range is tolerated even better at most decent sized casinos.

    The second thing is the 2 x. I am not sure if you are talking about spreading or always playing two hands, but this is a 'tell' that draws attention in some areas of the country and not such a big deal in others. You need to figure that out.
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