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[nwkfern69]

So I'm headed back to Vegas this weekend, staying at the SLS (where I was barred from BJ on my last trip). I'm staying there because a month or so after my visit they sent me a mail offer for free nights (I played rated on my initial visit). The trip before that I was placed on a flat bet at the NYNY, where again I was playing rated. Now I play rated (only in Vegas) because I value the comps and I don't go very often, unfortunately I've burned myself at these places.
The question I have for anyone that can help me is: if i play rated at any other MGM property would my players card information once put it the computer immediately red flag the floor man or pit boss of me as an AP?
Thanks

[Three]

The question I have for anyone that can help me is: if i play rated at any other MGM property would my players card information once put it the computer immediately red flag the floor man or pit boss of me as an AP?
Thanks

I would assume it would. It depends on how MGM does its sister property networking. I am not experienced with the MGM properties in LV so I can't speak from experience.

[Marlene]

So I'm headed back to Vegas this weekend, staying at the SLS (where I was barred from BJ on my last trip). I'm staying there because a month or so after my visit they sent me a mail offer for free nights (I played rated on my initial visit). The trip before that I was placed on a flat bet at the NYNY, where again I was playing rated. Now I play rated (only in Vegas) because I value the comps and I don't go very often, unfortunately I've burned myself at these places.
The question I have for anyone that can help me is: if i play rated at any other MGM property would my players card information once put it the computer immediately red flag the floor man or pit boss of me as an AP?
Thanks

Hopefully you have learned, as many of us have, not to play rated at sweaty joints. Unfortunately your card is likely toast at all LV MGM properties. If your max bet is under 500 I wouldn't play rated at all while playing BJ.

The good thing is you have many more venues to bounce around in Vegas.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

if i play rated at any other MGM property would my players card information once put it the computer immediately red flag the floor man or pit boss of me as an AP?

Absolutely!

[RS]

I don't know how frequently you come to Vegas, how much you value the comps [I guess that has to do with your BR size], etc. But your best bet is probably to get some video poker play in at a casino that'll send you free room night offers with a bit of free food. If you don't want to play VP, you can play a non-aggressive BJ game, slightly positive, in order to get rooms and food.

[KJ]

I don't know how frequently you come to Vegas, how much you value the comps [I guess that has to do with your BR size], etc. But your best bet is probably to get some video poker play in at a casino that'll send you free room night offers with a bit of free food. If you don't want to play VP, you can play a non-aggressive BJ game, slightly positive, in order to get rooms and food.

Playing a limited amount of VP for room and food offers is better advice than playing a "non-aggressive BJ game". They just don't give you all that much for blackjack play any more and even if you tone your spread down, they will still rate you as at least a skilled player which will reduce offers further. (skilled player rating is a step below AP and included even basic strategy players).

Because you get so little for BJ play, toning down your play for offers is a real negative move. You are still exposing yourself but for very little benefit. You would be better off to attack with normal spread and style, unrated and go ahead and pay cash for your room and food.

[nwkfern69]

Playing a limited amount of VP for room and food offers is better advice than playing a "non-aggressive BJ game". They just don't give you all that much for blackjack play any more and even if you tone your spread down, they will still rate you as at least a skilled player which will reduce offers further. (skilled player rating is a step below AP and included even basic strategy players).

Because you get so little for BJ play, toning down your play for offers is a real negative move. You are still exposing yourself but for very little benefit. You would be better off to attack with normal spread and style, unrated and go ahead and pay cash for your room and food.

KJ, I never knew there was different levels of ratings for BJ, wouldn't this mean the floor man would have to evaluate your play for a while?
And also how long does it take to learn a perfect VP game and is it profitable like BJ?

[KJ]

KJ, I never knew there was different levels of ratings for BJ, wouldn't this mean the floor man would have to evaluate your play for a while?
And also how long does it take to learn a perfect VP game and is it profitable like BJ?

Yes, there are several different levels. This is sort of an informal 'rating' done by pit for the purposes of comp value. So two players playing the same amounts will get different ratings and receive very different comp amounts and offers based on almost identical play.

[LVBear584]

Yes, there are several different levels. This is sort of an informal 'rating' done by pit for the purposes of comp value. So two players playing the same amounts will get different ratings and receive very different comp amounts and offers based on almost identical play.

KJ is correct. The "rating cards" (and their computerized versions) used by some casinos have checkboxes for the floorperson's estimate of players' skill levels. It is rather humorous, since many/most floorpeople nowadays have no clue.

[JPhoenixX]

I would be interested to see what they are putting down in those check boxes

[Stealth]

I never knew there was different levels of ratings for BJ, wouldn't this mean the floor man would have to evaluate your play for a while?
And also how long does it take to learn a perfect VP game and is it profitable like BJ?

Yes, there are different levels of rating for BJ players. Floor will likely call EITS to evaluate your play if needed.

VP perfect strategy game is about a 45 day process (my guess as a home game poker player for 30 years). There is no better software than "Video Poker for Winners". When you can play VP at beginner for 500 hands at 99% correct and intermediate at 99% correct and advanced at 99% correct, then you are ready to play. It is not easy. In my view harder than learning to count, but then I am a old dumb ass.

FYI, if you are a poker player please realize that many plays are not what you have learned, you are not playing against a pot and a player but against a pay table. You will learn many plays that are not what you expected.

BUT it is a great addition to your tool bag of AP play.

[moo321]

If you want to get comps, go get comps. Comp hustling is entirely different from counting. Bet a lot when they rate you, wear nice clothes and look like someone they would want to come back, and hide chips like crazy. You can use a small spread while doing this if you want, but if your goal is to get comps, play that way.

[Stealth]

The question I have for anyone that can help me is: if i play rated at any other MGM property would my players card information once put it the computer immediately red flag the floor man or pit boss of me as an AP?

The last information I had about this subject on MGM is dated about five years. At that time, checking you in on the computer would get a flag for the PB that you had been backed off at the other MGM properties.I would assume it is still that way, or worse. They may have added you to OSN, then your problem is a lot bigger.