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    strategy simulation result required, I will pay for the trouble

    Hi
    I am a K-O card counter. my local casino has shallow penetration (50%) so I have come up with some modifications to my original KO count that uses different play indexes and betting plan for different depths in the shoe. I need a advanced CVData simulation an EV results for my plan. I am confused with this software so I am willing to pay for you if you can generate the Sim based on my parameters and send them to me.
    If you are interested please comment or message me and then I will get back to you with the parameters. If you have a Paypal account I will be able to pay for your trouble.
    Thanks you

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    I am assuming that you are referring to a Double Deck game,
    as a "house cut" of 50% on a shoe game does not actually exist.

    IF it is a a shoe game with 50% penetration and a very weak
    count like K.O. you CANNOT "beat the game"; or you can do
    so only with an extremely absurd bet spread like 50-1 or <?>

    Also you will do well to understand that K.O. is not even close
    to being a good satisfactory count for (any) Double Deck game.
    Last edited by ZenMaster_Flash; 08-30-2015 at 08:37 AM.

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    The game is a six deck shoe game. And since casinos are afraid of counters, they give out only 50%
    I know KO is not that strong, but since it use depth-related indexes and betting ramps, I can almost get 60% of true-counting benefits.
    my bet spread is 1-10 and I have played around 10000 hands in Casino vertie and I estimate my edge to be 0.4%
    I also do not play in negative shoes, so all and all I am sure that this game is beatable, I just want to see the simulation results in millions and find out the exact number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali D View Post
    "I can almost get 60% of true-counting benefits.
    my bet spread is 1-10 and I have played around
    10000 hands in C. V. and I estimate my edge to be 0.4%"
    ... I am sure that this game is beatable.
    I believe that it was possible for you to get a HOUSE EDGE of 0.4% - meaning that with
    a paltry 10-1 spread you have reduced the House Edge to 0.4%. You have no advantage.

    "I can almost get 60% of true-counting benefits." is a bizarre statement.

    What "Third World" country are you playing in ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali D View Post
    The game is a six deck shoe game. And since casinos are afraid of counters, they give out only 50%
    I know KO is not that strong, but since it use depth-related indexes and betting ramps, I can almost get 60% of true-counting benefits.
    my bet spread is 1-10 and I have played around 10000 hands in Casino vertie and I estimate my edge to be 0.4%
    I also do not play in negative shoes, so all and all I am sure that this game is beatable, I just want to see the simulation results in millions and find out the exact number.

    Seriously, who gives a shit about index modifications - you can't beat this game long term - period.
    Flash, believe it or not, had 1 dealer tell me House policy was 3/6. *****ed to critters and walked out. It's actually 2-2.5. A couple of posters here burnt that one

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    I know that the 50% penetration is horrible for any serious advantage player, but I am not really in it for money, I just want to know that I gamble and have fun with a tiny edge in my favor. People in this country are totally dumb and no one questions the casino over the 50% penetration, I just can't understand why the management is so worried about it. Maybe they have nobody in surveillance who can identify a counter!!
    But, on the positive side, rules are very good. A Basic Strategy player in an average LasVegas casino would have a -0.5 to -0.4 disadvantage. but for this game that I play it is only -0.22, and since I count, I exit in situations when the count is negative, so this even slashes house advantage maybe by a third. and with a 1 to 10 spread it is definitely beatable. I already made much much better than expected results. If you can simulate this, or introduce me to anyone who would, I am sure it will show an advantage at the end. I am ready to pay for trouble. I just want to put it on real test with a good simulator.
    Please let me know if you can help me with this.
    Thanks ))

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali D View Post
    I know that the 50% penetration is horrible for any serious advantage player, but I am not really in it for money, I just want to know that I gamble and have fun with a tiny edge in my favor. People in this country are totally dumb and no one questions the casino over the 50% penetration, I just can't understand why the management is so worried about it. Maybe they have nobody in surveillance who can identify a counter!!
    But, on the positive side, rules are very good. A Basic Strategy player in an average LasVegas casino would have a -0.5 to -0.4 disadvantage. but for this game that I play it is only -0.22, and since I count, I exit in situations when the count is negative, so this even slashes house advantage maybe by a third. and with a 1 to 10 spread it is definitely beatable. I already made much much better than expected results. If you can simulate this, or introduce me to anyone who would, I am sure it will show an advantage at the end. I am ready to pay for trouble. I just want to put it on real test with a good simulator.

    You plan but cvcx and run your own systems, which is great software, and a whole lot less than what you would pay somebody.
    Please let me know if you can help me with this.
    Thanks ))
    Don't think you'll find to much help. Nobody will want to spend time thinking how to beat a 6 deck shoe game with 50% pen and 1-10 spread.
    Last edited by Freightman; 09-02-2015 at 03:17 PM. Reason: Add comment, looks like my comment regarding cvcx got muddled up with your commentary -sorry

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    A worthless waste of time.

    At best you MIGHT break-even but I seriously doubt that - unless you increase your spread;

    but then again, you'll never see a really good True Count as the pen' will deny that to you.

    I am glad that everyone is ignoring you as you will not so much as name the country you are in.

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    The way to beat it would involve going min to max at tiny edges and you would basically be at the mercy of variance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    The way to beat it would involve going min to max at tiny edges and you would basically be at the mercy of variance.
    Theoretically possible, but worse than a bad crapshoot, without regard to statistical ramping. Would require a huge bankroll that I strongly suspect that the OP does not have. His losses would hit faster than loose shit through a weak goose - metaphorically speaking.

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    The casinos half shoe you so the game isn't worth playing. They way to make money in these situations is to raise your bet a lot very early and have a huge BR to withstand the swings. Otherwise it is just not worth the effort to play. Which is the whole purpose of the half shoeing to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post



    I am glad that everyone is ignoring you as you will not so much as name the country you are in.
    I can let you know what country I am referring here in a private message to you, but I cannot find any link in my profile that would let me to do that... any idea?

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