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    Found a game: 8D H17 DAS NS with 93%

    Found a game....8D H17 DAS NS with 93% Dealt. Dealer Specific... meaning this dealer regularly deals deep.

    The catch the tables at this place are almost always full during hours that I could play there. This means I would have to play all and can probably not spread to two hands. I have played this dealer more than a few times and also watched and it is pretty much always .5 decks cut off.

    I love the pen, I hate the full tables. Would anyone care to share their opinions on this game? General or specific thoughts are welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mushin View Post
    Found a game....8D H17 DAS NS with 93% Dealt. Dealer Specific... meaning this dealer regularly deals deep.

    The catch the tables at this place are almost always full during hours that I could play there. This means I would have to play all and can probably not spread to two hands. I have played this dealer more than a few times and also watched and it is pretty much always .5 decks cut off.

    I love the pen, I hate the full tables. Would anyone care to share their opinions on this game? General or specific thoughts are welcome.
    How big a spread can you get away with?

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    last I played it I did 1 to 12 with no known attention. The dealer didn't call action and the pit saw my max bet and didn't bat an eye.

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    That is what has prompted this post. I am considering pushing to 1-16.

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    You should definitely be testing boundaries on this game. 1-12 is not a good spread on an 8 decker.
    The Cash Cow.

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    You do not always have to leave the table to wong out. Think and you'll find many reasons why you need to sit out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodarc View Post
    You do not always have to leave the table to wong out. Think and you'll find many reasons why you need to sit out.
    You are correct. I should rephrase that to say that I can't hop tables easily nor would I want to with this pen.

    On your topic and for those that need ideas. Restroom breaks, drink breaks, Running to slot machine to spin a few because I feel luck (Using free play lol), smoke breaks... (If you smoke), phone calls. Just a few ideas off the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mushin View Post
    You are correct. I should rephrase that to say that I can't hop tables easily nor would I want to with this pen.

    On your topic and for those that need ideas. Restroom breaks, drink breaks, Running to slot machine to spin a few because I feel luck (Using free play lol), smoke breaks... (If you smoke), phone calls. Just a few ideas off the top.
    Checking texts / emails is an easy one. "I've got to get this" works really well and enables you to keep counting so you can come back in when conditions improve.

    Save bathroom breaks for when the count really goes in the tank near the end of the shoe. But be judicious with those, because as you get to the very end of a deeply cut game, the count can snap back pretty quickly.

    Also, if you've lost the last hand and the count goes in the tank, consider just sitting out a hand or two. This works really well when the dealer has just hit a blackjack or pulled a 20 or 21 and killed the whole table. It "changes the flow of the cards," don't ya know? ;-)

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    Per BJA3, the SCORE for this game is 18.53 if you spread 1-12 and one deck is cut off. I fired up CVCX to see if I could get some info on your specific situation (7.5/8 pen and 1-16 spread) but I was not able to set the pen any deeper than 7/8. Thus, I don't have the SCORE for this game, pen, and spread--but my GUESS is that it's somewhere in the mid-high 30s.

    Anyway, this is still a pretty crappy game, especially with the crowding issue. But if you can get away with a big spread, I'd go for it. You'll be placing a lot of minimum bets as you work through that 8D monster, but you should get some opportunities to blast away when things get juicy. You'll just have to be patient in waiting for those opportunities.

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    Thanks for your efforts on the score. One thing I just thought of... Since this situation is a dealer specific scenario I am going to have to look for that dealer in the in higher minimum 6 deck games... I wonder if they cut off the same .5 deck in a 6 deck game. I highly doubt that they would have a worse cutoff in 6 deck. This would really improve things. 5.5 of 6 and I think that the 6d game is S17. The problem is I don't think my bank is really ready for the higher minimum.

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    Smells like a stinky House Edge of 0.63%.

    I'd not touch this game with less than 20-1; but "that is just me."

    Of course, if they are smart enough to "manage tables to full" ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mushin View Post
    Thanks for your efforts on the score. One thing I just thought of... Since this situation is a dealer specific scenario I am going to have to look for that dealer in the in higher minimum 6 deck games... I wonder if they cut off the same .5 deck in a 6 deck game. I highly doubt that they would have a worse cutoff in 6 deck. This would really improve things. 5.5 of 6 and I think that the 6d game is S17. The problem is I don't think my bank is really ready for the higher minimum.
    If that dealer is only cutting off 1/2 a deck in the 6D S17 game, the SCORE is 62.75, assuming the same rules and a 1-12 spread. That's a good game. But if your BR isn't ready for playing at that level, then don't push it. Hopefully that dealer will still be there (and will still be cutting the same) when your BR is ready for that game.

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    mushin,

    The casinos are well-aware that they can trap prospective A.P.'s who do not know any better into playing high stakes games

    by making them S17 and giving good pen'. DON'T DO IT. It is a trap ~ because you're R.O.R. will be huge, and you cannot

    really afford to be betting $100 to > $1,000 without a monster bankroll -- sufficient for buying a Starbucks Franchise !

    I know a fine place that deals a H17 6 decker ($50 and $100 minimums) with 96% penetration. (sic) They subscribe to O.S.N.

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