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    Which Cruise Line Does NOT Use CSM's

    I remember back in 2005 when Carnival Cruise Lines changed all their games to H17, and started using CSM's (this was out of South Florida).

    Are there cruise lines that do not use CSM's? I've heard that Norwegian had a single deck 6:5 game.

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    But CSM's change the natural flow of the cards. That is BJ sacrilege!!!

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    My wife was a cruise junkie, and I think it is finally over after our most recent foray to Alaska.

    I, as a dutiful husband would go with her, but only if she realized she was going to be a casino widow most of the time. Seeing as she wanted to go on a ship, she reluctantly grew accustomed to venturing out on her own on the ships, without me. We would go to ports together and explore, but back on the ship, she knew our routine.

    Started out with 6D, H17, DAS, NS, 75-80% Pen (dealer dependent), and typical rules. Then, started seeing 8D games, then started seeing shoes with notches usually around 2 decks cut off, but some dealers even worse.

    Trip to Alaska, confirmed that all Princess (which is owned Carnival) is all CSM except blackjack variant games, which were still dealt from shoes or by hand. Suspect that won't last long.

    Casino host told me to expect that the rest of Carnival's ships would be converting over to CSM on all blackjack games.

    Just sharing my experience.

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    Yes, so Carnival has gone CSM. But what about other cruise lines?

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    I was on a Celebrity cruise last year, and they were 8D, H17, DAS, NS, don't know about RSA, and pen was probably about 80%. They were NOT CSM.

    I went on a Holland America cruise this year, and same conditions as above. Also NOT CSM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malgorium View Post
    I was on a Celebrity cruise last year, and they were 8D, H17, DAS, NS, don't know about RSA, and pen was probably about 80%. They were NOT CSM.

    I went on a Holland America cruise this year, and same conditions as above. Also NOT CSM.
    Were the games hand shuffled?
    Also does anyone know anything specifically about Norwegian, or Celebrity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WABJ11 View Post
    Were the games hand shuffled?
    Also does anyone know anything specifically about Norwegian, or Celebrity?
    Both Celebrity and Holland were hand-shuffled.

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    Be careful. There have been reports of currency confiscation, revocation of comps, and worse. International waters and headquarters outside of US curtail legal recourse.

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    Marlene is fully correct.

    I forget which cruise line it is, but they have mounted brass plaques

    declaring that they have the absolute right to confiscate your funds,

    not just winnings, if they simply judge you to be counting cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    But CSM's change the natural flow of the cards. That is BJ sacrilege!!!
    What the hell do you mean by "the natural flow of the cards"?

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