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    Casino rebate don johnson

    Hi guys

    Was playing at my local casino when I got chatting to the dealer. I mention the incident about don Johnson and how he got a rebate on his losses 15 percent or around that figure which ended up with him winning 15 million ( stuff of dreams ). Well apparently the dealer spoke about a similar story in a UK casino where a player was flown in especially and offered a similar promotion except the casinos offered him a extra 10 percent ( or 20 forgot exaclty how much he said)on his winnings. The player started off with 164 k and ended up walking out with 2 million. Never thought this type of promotion would ever happen with such good odd still Wish I had the bankroll to be in a similar position. Casino in question was groverners.

    If this sort of thing is still possible it would be a sound investment if somehow a team could collectively bank roll such a venture. Wishful thinking
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    You need to understand just how much bull comes out of the mouths of dealers.

    The bull is rarely totally false but simple exaggerations are the hyperbole of choice.

    If he said that the dude won $2,000,000 it was probably closer to $100,000.

    I have NEVER heard a dealer underestimate, understate, or minimize a story.

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    I heard a story about an oriental guy who went to Moscow (before the casinos were closed) and negotiated a deal whereby his loss rebate was greater than the house edge on the game they offered. He had a team of people playing high stakes basic. I think it was on the gambling-with-an-edge podcast. I would say to the OP if you have enough cash, and intend to push enough across the felt, then you probably could come to some local agreement with the management, although after the Ivey affair at Crockfords all such propositions will be scrutinised by a numbers bod in a back room somewhere if the total up for grabs runs to more than the local discretionary limit for such things.

    As to £160K at Grosvenors, why would anyone want to do that? I think they advertise that their patrons "average" (a very elastic term when referring to patrons' action) spend per visit is around thirty quid. And Grosvenor Casinos have been using Dysons for a very long time. There are better games available in the UK (albeit fairly thin on the ground).
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    Yes, definitely still possible [ps: I'm currently doing it with a big edge and relatively small BR]. But if you think it's going to be available in the form you're thinking about, you're likely not to find it. Open your eyes and think outside the box.
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    I have dealings with an "Independent Host" who is able to arrange rebates on table games;
    but the rebates are slimmer than I like and front money requirements are higher than I like.

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    Don Johnson got 20% from what I was told along with quite a few other things that gave him an advantage over the house even before considering the loss rebate. He had to lose his $500,000 credit line to qualify for the full 20% of the rebate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigplayer View Post
    Don Johnson got 20% from what I was told along with quite a few other things that gave him an advantage over the house even before considering the loss rebate. He had to lose his $500,000 credit line to qualify for the full 20% of the rebate.
    Do you happen to know what those few other things were? There is some ridiculous news story snippet on YouTube that 'explains' how he did it. He said that he negotiated rules such as s17 and surrender (wow so amazing, only idiots wouldn't negotiate such rules at his stakes). And then the news story claims that he got an edge based on 'dealer mistakes'. Seems like a long shot to me. Dealers are not going to make many mistakes at such high stakes..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avincow View Post
    Do you happen to know what those few other things were? There is some ridiculous news story snippet on YouTube that 'explains' how he did it. He said that he negotiated rules such as s17 and surrender (wow so amazing, only idiots wouldn't negotiate such rules at his stakes). And then the news story claims that he got an edge based on 'dealer mistakes'. Seems like a long shot to me. Dealers are not going to make many mistakes at such high stakes..

    I agree.

    On the other hand, (I heard) he negotiated rules to change the hand signals. So when he scratches the table, perhaps that means surrender. When he waves it off, maybe that means to hit. Etc. An experienced dealer who's been dealing for many years.......I imagine it'd be pretty hard to completely switch everything around like that. I'm sure he could also request a dealer he wanted -- any dealer at any time, meaning he could probably find a sh*tty dealer and request him. If he was tipping at all (I assume he was?), I wouldn't be surprised if a dealer would intentionally make a mistake, so that DJ would win more and tip more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingStoned View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if a dealer would intentionally make a mistake, so that DJ would win more and tip more.
    I have seen this go both ways. Tipping gets more incidents that help you and not tipping gets misdeals when you have a good hand. I find it funny that these misdeals only come at places that won't give you an option when they occur. Most places will so there is no way it can hurt you. Of course if you tipped you would have gotten paid on that max bet BJ rather than have it called a dead hand.

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    Dealer errors were not possible.

    Extreme vigilance is always present on bets of 5 figures.

    I am privy to some inside info on the "Don Johnson Affair" (LOL)

    I have shared same with my A.P. friends.

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    ZMF: The discussion about dealer error/mistakes is not about the dealer actually making an error and it not getting found out. The premise states that part of DJ's negotiation is that if the dealer were to make a mistake (a specific mistake, or any mistake?), something happens, like perhaps DJ automatically wins that round. It is not an issue of "dealer pulls a 5 card 21 and dealer thinks it's a 22 so he pays DJ, and that's it". It's more of a "if the dealer gives DJ a hit card when DJ signalled for a stand, then DJ auto-wins"....but I guess that also entails the part where DJ negotiated to have different signals: a tap on the table doesn't mean "hit" and a wave of the hand doesn't mean "stand".
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    RollingStoned,

    I am privy to "inside information" from the Don Johnson side.

    While I am sworn to secrecy about the actual happenstances, I am

    free to say that you can entirely dismiss the substance of post # 12.

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