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    Harder to get comps these days

    Is it just me or is it ridiculously hard to get comps these days? I layed down black action with an average bet of about $400-600 for three hours and got $30 in comp dollars- it was not even enough for a buffet. The host didn't even come to say hello to me!

    This to me seems disturbing that the comps are totally not on par with a "theoretical" comp kickback. Are casinos just tightening up too much these days?

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    Huh? Where was this if you don't mind? PM if you must.

    I've played much less than that and have gotten free rooms.
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    I would prefer not to say at the moment, but it was at a larger resort casino. In the past, I have also played smaller than this and gotten better comps.

    I WILL say, I played Harrahs AC last summer and seriously got $8 in comp dollars with an average bet of $200-300 over 4 hours of play. When I pointed this out to the pitboss, he reluctantly gave me two free buffets. That to date is the worst ever.

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    harrahs comps come in the mail and there host don't always come up to you.. if you seek them out you can get watrv you want. they are a shitty organization... understand this is some value of too many employees knowing your face and keep it tied to one name.


    host are sales people and sales people are great at remembering faces

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterhoudini View Post
    I would prefer not to say at the moment, but it was at a larger resort casino. In the past, I have also played smaller than this and gotten better comps.

    I WILL say, I played Harrahs AC last summer and seriously got $8 in comp dollars with an average bet of $200-300 over 4 hours of play. When I pointed this out to the pitboss, he reluctantly gave me two free buffets. That to date is the worst ever.
    Wow Harrah's?!?! The other Harrah's hands out free rooms and buffets like crazy.
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    Most places I play still give me the royal treatment but some have gone away from the theo to a multiple tier look at your actual history. I was going to a very large casino and wanted the usual ride from the airport and an idea of what they expected on the odd chance I could get airfare reimbursed. I was told that I was ahead in my lifetime on all 3 ways they track comps now and I would be lucky if I got a peanut. Well that last part was added for effect but it was clear I should just take the free room from the mailer and the free invite to the event I was coming in to take advantage of and be happy I got those. Tip for these type places don't use a host if you are a winner. No upside to it, only risk. Most places are still comping me as usual. I had some cut comps and then the expected next step came. It may be a warning sign or perhaps they are changing how they do business.

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    backoff might be coming…if you really enjoy playing there i would take some time off and see if offers show up later
    the first thing to go for me at some properties was the comps
    I still accrued points/dollars but never got anything else (matchplay,freeplay, any other offers etc)
    eventually they zeroed that too so you might as well spend whatever you have with them
    this is why i never let my comp dollars sit..i always use them immediately


    at TR properties i generally never get comps other than buffet/rooms
    -harrahs ac is trash..why are you playing there anyway? lol

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    Caesars Entertainment does not give much in the way of TR points for table games play unless you're playing a real sucker game like Roulette. You can assume that for every hour you play at a $100 average bet you will get about $1.50 in comp dollars and 150 points added to your tier score. Most of the value you will get comes in the form of mail offers. There is, however, another comp balance which you cannot see that is controlled by the host at that property. I'd suggest you keep your point balance as close to zero as you can and hit up the on property host for additional comps that they control.

    I've found MGM's comps to be a bit more generous than Caesars Entertainment but not as generous as they used to be and again a host has access to more comps once you exhaust the comp balance visible on your card.

    But yes, you are correct, comps for table game players has been cut dramatically. That's the price you pay for generous mail and a visible comp balance that you control. It is also true that if the casino has decided you're a very tough player to beat they will change your skill level to one that give you even less comps. If this has suddenly just happened it could mean that you are on thin ice or are being evaluated. You might consider buying in big and then giving some idiot play for 45 minutes to see if it changes anything or play some "square" games like Roulette or Baccarat.
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    I've noticed that at some casinos you earn comp dollars at the same rate but the room, restaurant and beverages prices have been raised. At one store where I play the sandwich prices have jumped from $6 to $9, a 50% increase just this past year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mofungoo View Post
    I've noticed that at some casinos you earn comp dollars at the same rate but the room, restaurant and beverages prices have been raised. At one store where I play the sandwich prices have jumped from $6 to $9, a 50% increase just this past year.
    That's the way I'd do it, price everything like a destination resort and then give extremely generous comp dollars which really aren't worth much. That was the key to Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun's success for years. They gave back huge amounts of Mohegan Points or Wampums and then said go spend it in our overpriced malls and shops.

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    Diversify your games played; pure blackjack action isn't going to generate the comps unless you're flat betting the maximum every hand and gained the attention of someone important.

    If your average bet is around $400-600, your hourly EV must be around there. Consider playing a 95% return slot machine for $10k coin-in and your expected loss will be around your hourly blackjack EV. You'll be "in the system" for free room offers, invitations to slot tournaments, etc. You'll continue getting mailers for 3-6 months before reevaluation. The question then becomes if you feel that losing one hour of blackjack EV is worth 3-6 months of monthly/bimonthly room offers, which may include free slot play.

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    At many places, you're going to need to learn how to work the "discretionary" comp system. Floor people, pit bosses, shift managers, and hosts can all have varying degrees of discretionary authority. I play at a place that gives about .1% comp dollars on machines, but I get 20-50 times that amount in discretionary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowless View Post
    Diversify your games played; pure blackjack action isn't going to generate the comps unless you're flat betting the maximum every hand and gained the attention of someone important.

    If your average bet is around $400-600, your hourly EV must be around there. Consider playing a 95% return slot machine for $10k coin-in and your expected loss will be around your hourly blackjack EV. You'll be "in the system" for free room offers, invitations to slot tournaments, etc. You'll continue getting mailers for 3-6 months before reevaluation. The question then becomes if you feel that losing one hour of blackjack EV is worth 3-6 months of monthly/bimonthly room offers, which may include free slot play.
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