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    I don't understand his thinking

    I decided to take a little trip for a few days so I headed on down around the coast. I lucked up on a very good 6D game. At one point the count got very high so I placed a max bet and also one for the dealer (that's when I like to tip). I was dealt 2 9's so I split them and also placed him another bet. Then I was dealt another 9 so I split again. I got a 2 on one of them and doubled down, placing a bet for the dealer on each bet I made. To make a long story short, I hit all of those hands and the dealer had a very nice tip.

    On another shuffle, I held my hand out for the cut card like it was my turn and got it. I was going to cut 26 cards from the back, but the dealer said you have to cut 2 decks. I said 'Really, I didn't know that. What is so special about 2 decks?" and he said 'That's house policy." I was thinking to myself, "I don't give a flip if it's 2 decks cut, that just gives me more info, so I cut his 2 decks. Anyway I played for 2 decks and the count was rising fast in those and then I hit the end and placed a max bet and again, one for the dealer and got a blackjack, so he got another nice tip.

    Next in the same deck, he had an ace up and I had max bet out so I took insurance. The pit boss had just walked by and he stopped and was joking with me. The dealer turned over a 10 for bj and he said "Now that is a smart man, I think he's counting." I made a joke of it and was thinking to myself "Here you are making good tips and you want to run your mouth and cut your own throat." Anyway, I colored up ( I had hit them pretty hard). The pit boss was joking and said something about me leaving and I told him that one of the other guys had said I couldn't leave because I still had money. He laughed and said 'Well, we'll let you leave but we have 3 security guards waiting out front to confiscate your winnings. I said 'well if that's the case, I'm going out the back door, but before I do, can you give me a buffet ticket?" He just laughed and gave me one. Why would a dealer be so stupid as to cut his own throat?

    On another note, I did some work for a little old lady many years ago. She was about 75 or so years old, a school teacher but she came in wearing an apron like a lot of old people did. Anyway I made her much more money than she was expecting. She jumped up and her papers fell all over the floor and she exclaimed " Lord have mercy, if you weren't a white boy, I'd kiss you!" I laughed and said "Well don't let that stop you." We both got a chuckle out of that and I did her work until she died.

    Soooo, bjarg, if you wern't a white boy.................I'd kiss you! LOL Thank you very much!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodarc View Post
    I decided to take a little trip for a few days so I headed on down around the coast. I lucked up on a very good 6D game. At one point the count got very high so I placed a max bet and also one for the dealer (that's when I like to tip). I was dealt 2 9's so I split them and also placed him another bet. Then I was dealt another 9 so I split again. I got a 2 on one of them and doubled down, placing a bet for the dealer on each bet I made. To make a long story short, I hit all of those hands and the dealer had a very nice tip.

    On another shuffle, I held my hand out for the cut card like it was my turn and got it. I was going to cut 26 cards but the dealer said you have to cut 2 decks.
    More casinos are sequencing the shoe. If so, the bottom 26 or 39 cards most likely contain at least 8 "ace" or more. The second most popular sequencing is clumped "seven" and "eight" in the bottom 26 or 39 cards. When a casino forbid you from cutting 26 cards, you should be alerted. I would cut one deck from the bottom, the minimal they allow, then check if the bottom is clumped with ace, seven and eight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    More casinos are sequencing the shoe. If so, the bottom 26 or 39 cards most likely contain at least 8 "ace" or more. The second most popular sequencing is clumped "seven" and "eight" in the bottom 26 or 39 cards. When a casino forbid you from cutting 26 cards, you should be alerted. I would cut one deck from the bottom, the minimal they allow, then check if the bottom is clumped with ace, seven and eight.
    really?
    Maman died today. Or yesterday maybe, I don't know.

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    39 card...Step-ladder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodarc View Post
    Why would a dealer be so stupid as to cut his own throat?
    Because:
    1. They share tips.
    2. The dealer thinks you're being cheap with the amount you're tipping (they always do)

    What I don't get is why you kept adding to you tip with splits and doubles. Hopefully, this is a lesson for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodarc View Post
    Soooo, bjarg, if you wern't a white boy.................I'd kiss you! LOL Thank you very much!
    Im actually a green alien so dont be shy and gimme some sugar!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Because:
    1. They share tips.
    2. The dealer thinks you're being cheap with the amount you're tipping (they always do)
    21, please lets not start the tip no-tip debate again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    Im actually a green alien so dont be shy and gimme some sugar!
    Kiss.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    More casinos are sequencing the shoe.
    I actually hang around some casinos and was wondering how do we know this?
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    I actually hang around some casinos and was wondering how do we know this?
    ASM uses gravity to sort cards. The most common practice is to stack aces in the bottom 26 or 39 cards. If the bottom of the shoe has 8 aces clumped (most common scenario), house reduces player BJ by one-third. That increases house edge by 0.80%. If the bottom of the shoe has 12 aces clumped, house reduces player BJ chance by one-half and it is like you play 6D shoe having only 12 aces instead of 24. This increases house edge by 1.20%. Normally casinos only turn on ASM sequencing mode when they detect AP presence. But I have been to a casino that turns it on all the time. To decide if it is happening, you want to volunteer cut the yellow card. And you cut very deep, preferably half deck or 26 cards from the very end. The dealer likely will tell you you have to cut at least one and a half deck from the bottom. So the second time you try to cut 39 cards from the bottom. If the dealer insist, you cut 52 cards on the third time. Then you pay attention to see if there are eight aces clumped in the bottom of the shoe. Once a new dealer let a very old lady cut the yellow card. She cut 10 cards from the bottom. Seven of the first ten cards came out from the shoe were aces. It was a full table. Everybody said what the heck?

    ASM also put 2s, 3s and 4s clump together so small cards are used in the hit play more often, and appear as dealer up card less often. The idea is to make players have to hit because the chance of upcard 7, 8, 9, X and A as well as 6 increases than normal. If player and dealer both bust, dealer wins. This is actually good for idiots playing BJ because they don't follow Basic Strategy and often stand or hit randomly.

    But the 2-3-4 clump could appear anywhere in the shoe. There is no systematic way to locate it. You just need pay attention to see if 2s-3s-4s are clumped IN EVERY SHOE.

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    Despite the ASM claims which I am undecided about, I have actually experienced the pit telling the dealer to hand shuffle even when the ASM was working. In one casino, they stopped using ASM for DD games and there has been a few times when even the 6 deck were hand shuffled when.someone was winning big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    ...The dealer likely will tell you you have to cut at least one and a half deck from the bottom....
    i hear this 1.5 deck 'canned' response all over (the country)...btw, happy 4th to all...try READING the regulations that are posted on the gaming board websites of the states you play in

    this is from one such site:

    The player or dealer making the cut shall place the cover card in the stack at least ten cards from the top or bottom of the stack. Once the cover card has been inserted, the dealer shall take all cards on top of the cover card and place them on the bottom of the stack. The dealer shall then insert the cover card in the stack at a position at least 1/4 of the way in from the bottom of the stack. The stack of cards shall then be inserted into the dealing shoe for commencement of play.

    of course, the problem is that i would never actually challenge this rule as if tell the pit you actually read the gaming regulations THEY ARE CERTAIN TO REMEMBER YOU....something i avoid at all cost

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    i hear this 1.5 deck 'canned' response all over (the country)...btw, happy 4th to all...try READING the regulations that are posted on the gaming board websites of the states you play in

    this is from one such site:

    The player or dealer making the cut shall place the cover card in the stack at least ten cards from the top or bottom of the stack. Once the cover card has been inserted, the dealer shall take all cards on top of the cover card and place them on the bottom of the stack. The dealer shall then insert the cover card in the stack at a position at least 1/4 of the way in from the bottom of the stack. The stack of cards shall then be inserted into the dealing shoe for commencement of play.

    of course, the problem is that i would never actually challenge this rule as if tell the pit you actually read the gaming regulations THEY ARE CERTAIN TO REMEMBER YOU....something i avoid at all cost
    Usually, the minimum number of cards requirement will differ by amount of decks. In other words, Sd,did,6d, 8d, will have different minimum number of cards to be cut.

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