Presenting Identification

[Orangechip2]

I will get my question out and elaborate more once I get to my PC. For now I will keep it brief - When being asked at the cage to present identification because you are cashing out chips > $3,000 and you are asked to present identification do you HAVE to ? Say the cage person already has your chips, has called the supervisor for a "double" and then says "I Need ID" you ask "why", They answer it's our policy for 3k & above (MTL). If you are in a situation like this & they already have possession of your $ what do you do ? A.) give your name and now if they wanna attach a name to the flyer if play is reviewed B.) take your chips and walk out.
Now obviously 'taking what's yours' will not go over lightly being I have tried it because I really didn't wanna give my name and it was my final day of the trip & I knew no one within 600 miles.
But in all actuality the only 'requirement' I am aware of is the 10k Currency Transaction Report you must present require ID, upon being paid a hand pay jackpot you must present ID, age verification, etc., but I'm assuming the house has the right to refuse a cash out at anytime because they look as if you are 'refusing to comply with MTL requirements'?

I don't know I'm confused .

[21forme]

Best way to handle this is a pre-emptive strike. Never cash out > 3K at one time, and never accept chips larger than purple.

Once in this situation, I would tell them I don't have my ID with me and either cash my chips or give them back to me, or I'll call Gaming.

[Three]

But in all actuality the only 'requirement' I am aware of is the 10k Currency Transaction Report you must present require ID, upon being paid a hand pay jackpot you must present ID, age verification, etc., but I'm assuming the house has the right to refuse a cash out at anytime because they look as if you are 'refusing to comply with MTL requirements'?

They do this because multiple transactions in the same day could hit the CTR threshold. CTR's are for action in a day not a transaction. Just cash out for fewer chips. Play a little and cash out for the rest. The answer to your question is try not to put yourself in that situation or have ID ready when asked for.

I would ask them why they want ID. Then say I didn't know that I guess if I am going to play more it will save you guys some work if I only cash some of these and play with chips rather than buy chips when I play again. Cash in for what doesn't require making them do extra work and go to a craps table and make a few wagers over a longer than usual period of time and cash out what won't cause them the extra work. I am sure they will appreciate you making their job easier. Who wouldn't.

[Sonny]

You are not required to show ID. It may be an internal policy but it is not legally required of you or them. You can ask for your chips back and cash them out later. There are other options if you are willing to surrender your identity.

-Sonny-

[moo321]

I will get very direct, and very confrontational if anyone tells me they need ID due to a federal regulation, if it's under $10k. That is 100% fraudulent. When I tell them I'm an accountant, and they have no fucking clue what they're talking about, and they're probably committing a financial crime by asking for that information under color of federal law when it's not required, they tend to change their tune.

I haven't researched the issue directly, but I'm almost certain it would be multiple federal crimes to state that you need ID to comply with federal law when this is not the case. It is also probably several crimes/lawsuits if they did it to appropriate personal information for any reason other than complying with the laws. (my opinion, not advice).

[KJ]

I think you are absolutely correct, Moo, IF they tell you they need ID due to federal regulations. I don't know that I have had anyone say that to me. What I have heard a few times is that it is casino policy. Of course casino policy is not the law, but there is something to the argumnet that when you agree to play in their house you are agreeing to the policies.

I mean you can fight and argue if you want. You can call gaming and they will force the casino to hand over the money or chips. But then gaming wants your ID for their report and records and they almost assuredly will turn it over to the casino. Same, with Police. You can call police. They will take a report. But they are going to want your Id and likely will also turn it over to casino.

It's really a losing battle at that point. It is far better not to put yourself in that position, as 21forme stated.

[21forme]

Of course casino policy is not the law, but there is something to the argumnet that when you agree to play in their house you are agreeing to the policies.

Not if they don't disclose this in advance of your play.
Have you ever put cash on the table and heard them say, "we just want to let you know that ID will be necessary when you cash out"?

[Orangechip2]

Well I was far away frm home and I picked my purple chips off of the counter when she asked for ID & prior to leaving the door security informed me I was not aloud to leave . I said why - he said he doesn't know but I need to wait . I waited like a dumbass and te cage manager and security person (in suit) escorted me back to the cage and made me put my chips back on the counter like a little ass kid and they again asked for ID. I said mam, I don't have to give you ID to cash out - she said yea you do, & informed me what I just did was committed theft - I said by taking my chips back from you because I do not want to give you my ID is theft she said yes once they leave your possession and you 'steal' them back while I'm in the process of giving you cash it's theft . I just kinda laughed it off instead of being confrontational and gave my ID & left . Went back 3 days ago on different shift (after I told myself I wasn't going to) & again cashed out > $3000 & a different attendant asked me for ID. I said why- she said it's policy or federal requirement (not sure which one) - I gave it to them this time & just wanted the hell out of there considering if I slid under the radar the first time I prob won't this time .

Now in my case since they can get my name anytime they want should I just play rated, being they send out GREAT promotions to card holders ?

[Three]

Obviously they didn't want your ID for anything other than the multiple cash out possibility over $10K/day. I am not sure why you tried to cash out $3K or more the second time. If you are fine again I would either play rated or not cash out $3K or more at one time. Cash $2.5K then get a beer or soda or get something to eat and then cash the rest. Probably won't work if you are cashing more than $10K total. Just because they don't ask for ID doesn't mean they aren't keeping track. At least you know you aren't on the radar yet. That is the one good thing about just giving up the ID the second time. I am surprised they didn't get you on their radar just for how you handled the first incident. Perhaps they ran their skills test and you passed. If so good for you.

I play at a few that won't cash high denomination chips or a certain amount without making sure you should have the chips. A call to the pit you were playing is often all it takes. Many times they are expecting me at the cage after I cash out and they don't ask for ID. I play rated both places so it is no big deal to produce ID unless a CTR is generated. That is something I haven't had happen yet so I am not sure what would happen. Both places are kind of sweaty to very sweaty. I don't visit much anymore. No need to invite a BO.

[Masterhoudini]

It is really often times a losing battle with the ID thing. As a general rule of thumb, I try to keep cashouts under 5k at a time, some under 3k depending on the sweatiness of the joint. This is incredibly difficult when I often times have around 10-20k chips from a store I have to cashout. You should try to go to different cages at a property and avoid the HL cages from my experience. At larger stores, you can cash out 3-5k at one cage, then go to the cage upstairs or downstairs and do another 3-5k. Then wait until shift change and do some more. Some places, you can also cash out your chips at the poker cage.

When they insist for your ID, it generally becomes a mess, I've had everything from them pushing my chips back (for a measly amount of 4k), to a full blown get the shift mgr, gaming commissioner and even police involved. In the past I have used the, I respectfully decline for anything under 10k, but then often times they just refuse to cash out your chips and for the people that say, well do it another time, nope, you wish. Your picture is put in the cage and ID is insisted upon. Haha, one time, I even tried to get a family member to cash out my chips, but nope, they said, you gotta prove when you played. In my experience, it's best to try and split it up into some smaller transactions over several shifts/cages.

[Sharky]

play rated only if you want them to track your action....

also...just a side note....you ARE required to provide ID for a win that's >=300x wager as you will get a W2G....so sucks to win a LL side bet while playing unrated....good problem to have!

[ZenMaster_Flash]

you ARE required to provide ID for a win that's >=300x wager as you will get a W2G....so sucks to win a LL side bet while playing unrated....good problem to have!

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. 300 X wager ?
WHERE in the USA would this be true.
I play coast to coast - never saw anything like this.

[Sharky]

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. 300 X wager ?
WHERE in the USA would this be true.
I play coast to coast - never saw anything like this.

put your glasses on!....it's 300, not 3400...lol...LL w/ BJ pays 1000x....all over the country!!!