Three, I never thought I'd meet a man who could keep 26 (non-linear) count buckets and the ratio of each recomputed as each card is dealt, while talking to a pit boss, fondling a waitress, counting 3 tables and keeping track of 12 segments in the shuffle without a single error. That is truly amazing!
Play within your bankroll, pick your games with care and learn everything you can about the game. The winning will come. It has to. It's in the cards. -- Bryce Carlson
That's funny. You are on a roll tonight. Now put you d*ck back in your pants. This isn't a competition. I am amazed that someone that trained to do some of the stuff that I know you do doesn't believe that with enough practice you can be fast and accurate. But no. I can't play for eight hours straight. I have to pee about 5 times in that time and would require at least one solid meal to keep up my blood sugar. Around here there is not an eight hour period you would play without crowding causing you to seek other opportunities. I can do 5 or 6 hours easy enough but that blood sugar thing is not like clockwork. I can realize I am getting stupid anytime after 4 hours from my last meal. If I don't stop I get really stupid and don't realize it. I have done 8 and 10 hours before but that is rare I can play that long before I take a break. I try not to play through my brain siesta portion of my daily biorhythm. My system fits me and my abilities and limitations to a tee. Isn't that what we have been saying about the best count for you debate. I tried lots of other counts and was successful but this is like night and day by comparison. And I said I made almost $40K in my last 3 weekend outings not $40K. It was between $30K and $40K. I think they were three personal best trips in a row. I know the last 2 were. I just seem to be setting new personal bests a lot since I went full 2d and especially since my last system tweak.Originally Posted by bjarg
This reminds me of every card counting scene in shows and movies. The player puts out big bets. Almost all 10s and Aces come out, except the dealer has a 5. Hero has 20, splits 10s and gets another 10 on one hand and an Ace on the other. Then the dealer busts with a 10 and the table gets paid. Player wins every time, and fast too right guys?
Dont worry.
You can go to the bathroom as many times as you need, you can eat and drink anything you want.
You seem to think Im joking with this.
I am not.
I will use this opportunity to do two things: prove to everybody you are a fraud and put to rest the complex vs simple debate.
You talk a lot Tthree.
Im doing you a favour and giving.you the opportunity to put.your.money where your mouth is.
if you are everything you say you are this should be the easiest 40 grand you will ever make.
So come on.
Cut the excuses and lets do it.
It will be difficult for you to keep your little act if you decline...
I have an early flight so I will go to sleep.
Tomorrow I will start a special thread for this.
That way, each time you open your mouth we can point you to it and show you how the only thing you do well is talk.
Or not... who knows, maybe youll accept my challenge and we can start what could possibly be the most entertaining thread in the forum's history.
I look forward to it.
PS: KJ, who's the bully now?
It is a moot point B. There are several things I have systematically gathered, also some inconsistencies.
1.) the mysterious count. It may be valid, it may not be. Although, I err on the side of caution, I think it's legit, I really do T3. I'm sure it took a lot of dedication to do it and if you can perform really that well in practice using it 6 hours straight. I can respect this.
2.) let's give T3 the benefit of the doubt here and say he can do it. We run into the inevitable heat problem at higher stakes levels, how is this problem addressed? Is it? There was some mention that he can bet a lower max bet than KJ, who from what I gathered tops out at $500. So let's say betting $400 for the same gains, so what?? At my stakes, let's say instead of betting 2x1500 or 2x2000, T3 can get the same gains at 2x1200 or 2x1600. The same problems exist thag need to be addressed- find a way to get a casino to let you play!!!
3.) How much extra practice does it take? How about fatigue? If I can play an extra hour a day more than t3 using my pathetic hi lo, I can get the same amount of money correct? I don't need to fry my brain doing so. Also I don't have to practice another 3 months to master this count. More real table time and Cha Ching more money for MH.
B, since you're going to put up the cash, I will throw in a pair of World Series tickets and all you can drink beers/eat hot dogs for T3 to demonstrate his prowess. Should help with the blood sugar levels.
M, I dont have a doubt in my mind that his count is legit.
And Im positive he has mastered it and feels comfortable.playing with it.
Thats not what bothers me.about him.
It is.his condescending tone and the way he speaks as if.he was the best player.in the world, when in.reality he is a low stakes red chipper that spends more time playing with simulators than he does in actual casinos.
I.have no idea why this bothers me so much, but it does!
You will never see me talking like this to Tarzan or even.Flash.
I just want to give myself a little treat.
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The funny thing is there are many respected members of this community that know I am exactly what I say I am and really rather understate things. I have said both sides of the coin. How hard things were to master and how long I practiced without getting the count right twice in a row counting down a deck (6 weeks). Once I started improving the time to being perfect without speed wasn't too long (2 more weeks). Speed along with accuracy took a lot longer and much play in the casino (6 more months or more). I don't need to prove anything to anyone. I for one am a bit disappointed in you Bjarg. Perhaps I had yo up on a pedestal that you didn't deserve but I thought you would understand what I am doing given the number of advanced AP plays I know you employ. No worries. I am sure you feel the same way about needing my belief in what I thought you were as I do of anyone else's. If it makes you happy believe whatever you want. I know those that understood what I explained believe me. It maters not if anyone does. I have tried twice to get people to think outside the box and inspire people to find a higher edge with some original ideas as Tarzan did for me. What I would like to know is exactly how you would know if I made a mistake. I use a betting matrix not a ramp. I use a count that it would take a computer or my clone to do in real time. Last I checked they get really upset about computers in the casino. It took me 2 months to do my count accurately but slowly. I guess you didn't really think this through to well if indeed you are serious.
I respectfully decided to give up devising my count and will bow out humbly with my $500 EV. I already feel badly for myself, no need to make me feel worse. BJarg already agreed. Please excuse me while I stuff my face with hot dogs at the World Series to numb the pain.
Ok... so now you are saying that the advantage situations that your super count identifies difer greatly of those identified by hilo?
Well... now.you are just making a fool out of yourself.
That being said, Im sure it will be fairly easy for me to determine whether you are playing correctly or not, even if im not a super human with a computer brain like you are.
I appreciate your sense of humor as well as your friendship, 21forme. (don't think I've ever told ya that).
But there is an even funnier thing that occurred along these very lines. At the end of last year, I shared my results for the year, which I have every year that I have been part of the community dating back to Ken's site. It was my worse year since I moved to Vegas in 2009. It was my worse year dating back almost a decade to my early years playing AC at lower levels. Blackjack win was 27K, vs over 80K in EV. I did have another 19K in my half of my partnership's supplemental AP activities, but it is that BJ results I want to talk about.
After I posted those results, there were 2 different comments saying just the same thing, that my poor results were due to using hi-lo rather than a higher count, like halves. (anyone want to guess who made that one? hint: The vacationing 'HalvesKing'). There was also a second similar comment. As if these folks really believe that a higher count would have magically improved my results from 27K up towards expectation of 80K. Un freaking believable!
Now despite that I enjoy having dirt kicked in my face when I am down and out, as much as the next guy, I wanted to fire back, talk about variance and point out that only the previous year, I had experienced my best year of my career, with results far above expectation, over 6 figures (from BJ) for roughly the same EV.
But I couldn't do that either, as you will remember, one time I did mention variance and Jimmy G wrote a whole blog about how those salamander-esque card counters want to blame variance for all their woes. So I bit my tongue on that one.
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