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    Wonging in and our?

    Hi all, new to the forum! Have been strolling around blackjack forums for a while searching for answer. When using hi lo count, $5 min 6 deck shoe, dealer hit soft 17, no surrender.

    What is a good enough true count for a player to join the game?
    Do you join the game hoping you win the first hand and the RC ends up going down resulting in a less favorable true count, or do you just play and hope the odds get more favorable in which you raise your wager? Surely if you join at a lower TC say +1, the advantage could change on your very sudden, so is it a better idea to wait for a better true count?

    Thanks

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    I enter at about +2. If the count drops slightly, say to about +1, I will stay with the game betting minimum. If the count drops further, I exit the table.

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    There are a lot of ways to do this. If you're worried about having to leave soon after starting play you can just stand behind the seat to make a bet which makes it look like you're in a hurry. If the count drops, you can leave and it looks like you were only going to play a hand or two. If the count sky rockets you can take a seat and play some more.

    You can also decide to Wong out at a count of -1 and table hop. You can play minimum for your slightly negative and neutral counts and have a small spread of 1-8 or so. You'll want to check out norms software to get specifics on win rate and ROR and such but I use a similar approach at one local store with a larger minimum and it works ok.

    From what I've seen it lowers the ROR and winrate from a play all approach but for me the lower ROR makes up for the lower winrate. I'm not an longtime member so I would be interested to hear what other say of this approach.


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    Either works. Sim it for the best answer (CVCX).

    When I play, it depends on other conditions. If there's just one player, I'll wait until a +2 or so to wong in. If there's only 1 or 2 spots open, I'll be more likely to jump in at a +1.


    PS: The true count tends to stay constant. As cards are being depleted, so is the running count, at a similar and constant rate (expected) and the TC stays the same. Do the math. 5 decks remaining with an RC of +10. TC is +2. Every 1 deck (52 cards) played, you expect the RC to decline by 2. So after 1 deck you get RC = +8 and decks = 4 :. TC = +2. Etc.
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    Hit 17, no surrender! WTF! Don't be a fool.

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    Jabberwocky, those are pretty common rules for shoe games, especially where DAS, NRA, 66-80% pen. WTF? Really?

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    strong game

    Sure but the M.I.T. Blackjack team wouldn't touch it. I play DD with all the standard rules found in multi-deck, 75% pen and late surrender.
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    There are a lot of things that players have to do now that could (and would/should) have been laughed of even as recently as the days when the MIT reigned. Like play H17, no ES/LS blackjack in a large % of all casinos. True?

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    No argument on that score. But for bankroll building you need to find a strong game otherwise it's like driving a car stuck in neutral.

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    Guess why that's why it's called "grinding".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    Hit 17, no surrender! WTF! Don't be a fool.
    I play many H17, no surrender games at a good plus EV. Would I like to have S17 and surrender? Of course I would, but there are many other factors that can make "poor rules" games lucrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muffdiver View Post
    I play many H17, no surrender games at a good plus EV. Would I like to have S17 and surrender? Of course I would, but there are many other factors that can make "poor rules" games lucrative.

    muffdiver
    I assumed the OP was in the process of bankroll building since he mentioned wonging at $5 tables. But relentlessly wonging will get you a back off. If your bankroll is huge, then you can attack those lesser games with impunity.

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    I guess you are a red chip play
    when you start playing green and black you will not last at that game

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