At a $25 table where my bet spread is 25/50/100/400, in terms of camouflage, is it better to buy in for $500 or $1000? Recently I have been buying in for $500 and having re-buys in my pocket, but if the count justifies a $400 bet, I was thinking it would look more legitimate coming from a $1000 starting stack rather than a $500 starting stack.
Thanks.
The size of your max bet definitely creates a complication. I would consider buying in for the 2nd $500 after you hit the $100 hand or any time you look low. However, I understand sometimes the the step might jump from 50 to 400. Ideally you want to keep your buy-in as close to a regular ploppy's buy in for your table and re-buy as needed. However you might want to consider some kind of compromise by buying in for 700 and adding 300 at some points. Also, having a chip inventory (as long as they aren't very high denominations relative to your casino) might be of some use.
Take all this with a grain of salt since I've never had this difficulty myself. These are just considerations I'm speculating might be worth considering.
I would say buy in for $500 and then more as needed since large amounts generate a lot more attention and the pit often has to call the eye for amounts over a certain threshold. Buying in $1000 is a lot if you're betting primarily $25 since most people don't do that. Is this a casino that you frequent? It may be worthwhile to stockpile chips.
Sort of. You'd color up as usual but keep the chips with you instead of cash out when you leave the casino. That way you can just buy in with the chips next time you play. It saves time and makes it easier to put out those big bets without arising suspicion from buying in a lot of cash.Originally Posted by Cloudstreets7087
Like what was said in another thread, not coloring up gives you a lot of attention. Mostly the pit is annoyed that you made her job harder because now they aren't sure how much you took with you and are likely to attribute a higher amount to you to avoid potential theft investigations if they accidentally under report.
What tiny and I meant by stockpiling chips (or keeping a chip inventory) is to just not cash out all of your chips and taking them home so you can bring them on the next trip. That way next time you play, after you have bought in, if you need the chips you can just take the ones you've brought with you and just throw them in. However, I would be careful about some higher denominations, since you might receive attention for either just having a high value chip (important to the casino to track or may have a RFID chip embedded) or for cashing/making change for a high value chip. Some places, blacks might not even be the safest, but those are probably the smallest denomination that would be convenient for you to use.
I would reccomend buying in for $200-$300 . With $25 as a base that's plenty. If the TC calls for your $400 wager and you don't have that amount in front of you wager what you have and rebuying for $400 is always an option. This gives them them idea that your chasing when you are "all in" or Hbe to dig for money on a double down/split; opposed to having $500-$1000 in front of you from the beginning, although the count may never call for a $50 wager . Imagine buying in at the $5 table for 200 and betting $5 a hand for 1.5 decks and then leaving table . If you show them you have money you may pose a threat.
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These numbers are probably better than mine. Like I said, I don't really have this issue. I guess it looks a little strange, but at least plausibly desperate, to pull out 500 just to make a 400 bet. It probably looks better than buying in for 500-700 and playing only quarters a hand 90% of the time. Pull out money looks good to the casinos.
Btw Cloud, is the $50 step in your ramp for +1 or +2 TC?
I personally think that buying in and bringing chips with you sort of looks the same (although bring chips sometimes gives less work to the pit) and might actually fail to give you the benefit of having a chip inventory.
People should feel free to say otherwise, but I think that buying in for cash (or perhaps bring a few chips) and just bringing out the chips when you really need them might be the best way to do it. That way it looks like you're digging for winnings you meant to store away and looks better than reverse-rat holing (which may look very odd) and ending up with a huge stack that you barely use.
Bet ramp is +2, +3, +4. After +4 I flat bet. Mostly out of fear really, but a +5 or higher count is not at all a frequent occurrence. Counting is an interesting thing. My own personal experience has shown if I hit +2, I generally will see +4. Sometimes if I win the $100 at +3 and then reach +4, I will let the $200 "ride" and then let the $400 "ride." And if you stand up and get all excited it looks nice and legit. It's happened. Enough to keep me going and studying.
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