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    Gambit Question..

    In Ian Andersen's book "Burning The Tables in Vegas", the chapter on The Ultimate Gambit advises to always insure blackjacks for cover regardless of count. What I can't tell is, does he mean insuring against all aces regardless of what the player has or always insuring if the player has a blackjack for even money?
    I think that he means insuring all hands against an ace. After all, what good is it if you have a hard 16 and correctly insure against a blackjack and you don't do it at low counts when you have hard 16? This seems like it would get expensive though, always insuring every time the dealer has an ace. But perhaps it is not.

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    You'd throw all your money away insuring against every dealer Ace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by counter19 View Post
    In Ian Andersen's book "Burning The Tables in Vegas", the chapter on The Ultimate Gambit advises to always insure blackjacks for cover regardless of count. What I can't tell is, does he mean insuring against all aces regardless of what the player has or always insuring if the player has a blackjack for even money?
    Ian means always insuring your OWN blackjack against a dealer's Ace (NOT all of your hands against a dealer's Ace).

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    I think that he means insuring all hands against an ace.
    No, he does not mean that.

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    This seems like it would get expensive though, always insuring every time the dealer has an ace.
    It would! That's why you should NOT do that.

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    But perhaps it is not.
    Oh, but perhaps it IS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    Bottom line: unless you are playing really good games at high stakes level, you should not even consider employing "The Ultimate Gambit".
    How about 6D, DOA, DAS, Late Surrender, 1 deck or less cut off? Or better yet, a 2D with all of these rules (including surrender) and 75% penetration? This particular casino is the main place that I was thinking about implementing it.

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    Most of the games are not good . Use your judgment . Good games doesn't exist period ,except in our mind.

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    The games available in my area are much better than anything I could find in Las Vegas-which is a key reason I don't play there.

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    You can insure for less. Much less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by counter19 View Post
    How about 6D, DOA, DAS, Late Surrender, 1 deck or less cut off? Or better yet, a 2D with all of these rules (including surrender) and 75% penetration? This particular casino is the main place that I was thinking about implementing it.
    I agree with KJ. You don't say what stakes you're playing. If less than a black chip unit, fuggedaboudit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    I agree with KJ. You don't say what stakes you're playing. If less than a black chip unit, fuggedaboudit!
    It looks like the answer is clear. No "Ultimate Gambit" for this low player!

    I may stand on all 16s though. This shouldn't hurt if it is the only exception.

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    use your judgment and think about it more ,every case is different . what works for them may not work for you.

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    Why would you want to stand on 16 if the count calls for a hit at low stakes?
    Play within your bankroll, pick your games with care and learn everything you can about the game. The winning will come. It has to. It's in the cards. -- Bryce Carlson

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    Playing small may mean the op have a small bank. the op may be playing at a smaller store that does care about someone spreading 1-12 or 1-16 ,whatever it is. the store may have 3 tables and all 3 tables only usually have players that don't play more than $50 a hand . If they do they don't spread more than 1-3. .i have had stores that don't sweat people spread 1-20 in black ,but then 1 month later they sweat any body spreading 1-8 with a top bet of $100. Use your own judgment Op. Read their body language . i have been right a lot of times by reading all cues than take advices only. Other members sincere advices serves as a guideline only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodarc View Post
    Why would you want to stand on 16 if the count calls for a hit at low stakes?
    It's alllllll relative man. I have some puny casinos here where $25 minimum tables don't even exist and the dealer's say "green action." I currently have a 1-18 spread with good cover. Some of the casinos handle more action but many do not. A black chip is a big bet around here.
    So, ignoring a play or two from the Illustrious 18 doesn't seem like much to give up if it will help me successfully spread more. I also sprinkle in a little opposition betting for good measure.

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