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    Weirdest Thing To Happen Yet

    I recently took a trip to the Philly/AC area. Found both some goods and bad while traveling, mainly bad outside of Philly. My trip concluded not too long ago, so for now I will refrain from going into great detail. However, while at Bally’s in AC something moderately strange occurred 2 days in a row. After the second day I got the hint and did not return.

    While BC’ing a $10 min 8d, fair pen. In the pit where the switch game is, a younger black/Puerto Rican/ Dominican (something of that sort), no older than mid 20’s came and literally stood right beside me as if he were trying to make me feel unconformable. He was about 3-5 feet away from me. I looked at him, he looked at me, and I continued to BC. Nothing going that shoe. Moved down to the pit near the escalator/cage, this is the pit with the mirror on the ceiling. Same exact scenario, except this shoe hit the desired TC for me to Wong in. I play 6-10 rounds, TC drops below target area, I toss a few white chips before the dealer begins the “can I color you up “chant. As I stood up from the table guess who’s there…. Yup, same guy that walked up next to me in the other pit 3 minutes ago.

    After I concluded play, I circled around the slot machines to see what he was going to do next, considering the fact that he was blatantly following me; I seen him walk into the pit and talk to the floor supervisor. As I walked towards bell service to see if he was going to try and follow me down the stairs, I decided to take another stroll back through to see if it’s just me or if he stands uncomfortably close to everyone. Walked to an area higher then where I last seen him and did not see him. Walked in the are where TM’s at Bally’s take breaks, nothing.
    I left and did not return that day.

    Next day, very similar scenario, except as I am ‘playing all’ on a $10 heads up table I look up and guess who’s looking at me eye to eye.. Same fckin guy. Note: I noticed I’m standing there prior to even getting in the target area of Wong out/ or a TC of 1. I played 3-4 rounds after noticing him, colored up and left the BJ pit. I walked to the craps table and made an immediate wager before he disappeared again. I ask the dealer (only he heard it) “who’s that guy right there? I come here a good bit and never seen him” Craps Dealer goes “he’s a slot host”……? At the time I pointed at him he was still standing where I had last seen him, at this point he appeared to be just staring at the back of the dealers head where I was previously seated. Hm, why in the hell would a slot host follow me around bum ass Bally’s casino for two days???? I very rarely play VP and when I do I only play a quarter denomination w/ max bet and don’t ever get much in slot play.. My gf used my card to play several denomination slot machines, but didn’t even lose over $50 while she was throwing her money away, so there was no way I would have been some stand out slot loser that deserved a hat, coat, or even a customized bottle of hand sanitizer. Point is, it was nowhere near enough to have a host hunting me down before I can go elsewhere to give back slot winnings.

    I’ve been BO’d, I’ve been hawked to the point that I’ve took it as a light BO and left to never return, I’ve seen guys get back roomed, I just have never experienced nothing similar to this. As this guy stood within punching distance of me, his name tag was clear as day and I was too nervous to look at the damn thing… Shame on me I know.. I’ve goggled “Bally’s slot host, Bally’s card count catcher, surveilance manager, security manager” and a few other searches, and I found nothing.

    To my knowledge AC cannot BO a skilled player, just counter measure, correct? If so is this considered a “counter measure”?
    After my trip concluded Bally’s sent me a survey. I was truthfully 2 seconds from putting “TELL THE FUCKING IDIOT YOU GUYS HAD FOLLOWING ME THAT, THAT WAS VERY UNPROFESSIONAL AND ALSO VERY UNCONFORMATBLE AS A PATRON IN YOUR RUN DOWN CASINO.” But my better judgment got the best of me.
    If anyone that regularly plays in the AC area has had a similar occurrence at Bally’s, or if you’ve had a similar occurrence elsewhere and can help me come to a conclusion I would really appreciate it.

    If you do not want to discuss on public forum (I do not believe this is a touchy subject) please shoot me an email.

    PS: After returning home I received a survey, free play, a dining credit, and also free rooms for March or May. So at this point I believe I’m still considered a desirable player as far as Total Rewards is concerned.


    ( I also posted this on 21 )

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    Hosts and their representatives always find me in casinos. They ask what they can do for me and give me their card. That is about all that comes of that. I can remember suits in AC telling me in one way or another that they knew what I was doing. I NEVER THOUGHT THEY DIDN'T. To me AP's are pretty easy to spot. Nothing ever came of it though.

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    I've only ever seen hosts walk inside a pit on several occasions, at many places the pit is a secure area that requires a security escort to enter if you aren't part of table games department.

    As far him coming to find me to give me drink vouchers, free play, smokes, whatever else. I did not have my play rated yet, I was waiting to get in.

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    I would've guessed that they tell other employees : " this is John , he's one of our new slot hosts "
    johns real job is : you guessed it ...
    anti-wonging-counter-catcher-creepy-adjustment bureau-freak,
    welcome to Bally's

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    Moses, you might have drawn unwanted attention to yourself. I was playing a sweatshop that knew I was an AP but let me come in from time to time with no issue. One day i get in a dispute about a dealer cheating on the game. Everyone at the table backed me up. Some of the guys were trying to get me to drop it. I should have listened. Next time I showed up they told me I could no longer play BJ. I know if I had dropped it I wouldn't have gotten backed off. I just made myself seem like I wasn't an asset to help them milk the ploppies anymore. I was now too much trouble. They had hinted when I had stayed too long before. The game had great pen. They started cutting much thicker. I knew why and the dealer made sure I noticed it although that wasn't necessary. Anyway I could have continued to play short sessions on their great game infrequently but I screwed myself by getting to upset that the dealer was cheating. After that they wouldn't tolerate any play. Not even the short sessions I played there before. I learned a lesson that day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikky_Flash View Post
    I would've guessed that they tell other employees : " this is John , he's one of our new slot hosts "
    johns real job is : you guessed it ...
    anti-wonging-counter-catcher-creepy-adjustment bureau-freak,
    welcome to Bally's

    I think you hit the nail on the head. I started to think gaming, but that just wouldn't make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    I had a similar situation albeit far from your destination. I'm the only player about 7am. A guy, with the look of a bum trying to get warm, stands directly next to me. He is so close the smoke from his cigarette is coming up into my face. So I stopped playing. Dealer says, are you going to bet? I look at the dealer and the bum next to me and replied, "No." Dealer looks at me and the bum. Finally says, "this ain't a spectators sport - beat it pal." Somehow I just had the feeling they knew each other. He continues to lurk around the table.

    Finally, I walk to a table in another building. Samething happens again. This time I ask the dealer for an ashtray. I ask the bum if he minded as if I wanted a puff from his cigarette. I then put it out in the ashtray and said "I don't smoke." He started to light up another and I told him if he stood next to me I would do it again. Again, I stopped playing. Very weird awkward moment. I was 86ed a few days later.
    It seems as if the casino may have been on to you Moses. The bum seems to me like he was a casino shill. I've seen the casino use this type of tactic before. They tried a similar act on me in a craps game before but there was no cigarette smoker involved in the way the casino tried to interfere with the ongoing game. If I had a chance to do it over again in my case I would spit in the casino shills face for interfering with the game or spill my drink on him on purpose. The shill didn't stay too long because I had a feeling the casino put this particular asshole up to what he was doing. When they seen that I stopped betting they got the message and he soon left the table.
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    A Gaming Representative usually does not get involved with casino operations, unless a patron requests to speak to them directly.

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    I just read another recent review about Bally's AC. It was nothing good MidWestTom. The post discussed how there seemed to be a bunch of drug dealers in Bally's AC.

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    Casinos using shills? I'm very skeptical of that. Especially at low stakes.

    Also gaming agents can and do get involved in casino operations. State gaming agents are often assigned to work at casino X full time and are on call 24/7 for that particular casino. Sometimes an advantage play can be going down on the floor and the casino is clueless to what is happening. They may suspect cheating. So they call there local gaming agent in to observe what is going on. Often watching from the surveillance room. Agents can also be involved in backoffs and backroomings.
    "I think, therfore I can't play blackjack."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Moses, you might have drawn unwanted attention to yourself. I was playing a sweatshop that knew I was an AP but let me come in from time to time with no issue. One day i get in a dispute about a dealer cheating on the game. Everyone at the table backed me up. Some of the guys were trying to get me to drop it. I should have listened. Next time I showed up they told me I could no longer play BJ. I know if I had dropped it I wouldn't have gotten backed off. I just made myself seem like I wasn't an asset to help them milk the ploppies anymore. I was now too much trouble. They had hinted when I had stayed too long before. The game had great pen. They started cutting much thicker. I knew why and the dealer made sure I noticed it although that wasn't necessary. Anyway I could have continued to play short sessions on their great game infrequently but I screwed myself by getting to upset that the dealer was cheating. After that they wouldn't tolerate any play. Not even the short sessions I played there before. I learned a lesson that day.
    how were they cheating? and how could you tell?
    Last edited by NotEnoughHeat; 03-18-2015 at 09:49 PM. Reason: added the 2nd question

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    I don't want to get into to much detail to keep Tthree from being connected to my name. I keep trying to write something but keep deciding it is too much info so I will leave it at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solo player View Post
    Casinos using shills? I'm very skeptical of that. Especially at low stakes.
    I second that. The OP spread from $10 to $200, such low stakes won't trouble casinos besides simple back off, especially bigger casino in Caesars chain. There must be some misunderstanding from the point of view of OP.

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