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    Angry cheating dealer

    i just figured it out. i picked up a deck of cards and started working on my 2nd dealing technique. i accidentally dealt 2 cards simultaneously and i remembered yesterday, when that dealer who, on one hand where i busted, he accidentally hit me a 10 with an A. he said, "the 10's supposed to be yours." and it was, since it was under the A. this is a single deck btw. the only time that i've ever accidentally dealt 2 cards was when i was 2nd dealing. the session went pretty bad, i might add. last hand had a true of +15, spread to my last 2 hands ($20 each), got a 18 and 17 against a 4 and lost. ended up losing $100. in humble's book, he talks about these dealers and he fits all of the criteria.
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    My Dad was playing in Vegas many years ago and was getting killed at a handheld game. He put a bet out for the dealer and won that hand. He joked and said they could make a lot of money if the dealer could keep that up. The dealer leaned close and whispered, We had better hurry my shift ends in ten minutes. My Dad figured why not see what will happen and started putting the dealer up on every hand. He won almost every hand for the next ten minutes or so until the dealers shift was over. It turned a big losing session into a nice win. He avoided hand held games after that and advised me to do the same. The only DD I have played has been dealt from a shoe. I guess if I didn't live in shoe game country this would not be the case.

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    yeah man, i should have been more alert. i try to usually avoid male dealers, but i wasn't even concerned this time, and he fit all the criteria. male, middle-aged and had glasses.

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    When I first began card counting I was in Vegas at Bally's. I was playing a DD game. The dealer keep moving around (we call it diddly bopping in another context) and holding the cards in what I recognized as a mechanics grip. He kept that hand bobbing up and down and sideways, with a whole lot of body movements as well. He also had a patter that was nonstop. It had all the earmarks of a cheater-- grip, moves, distraction, misdirection. I stared at him like I knew exactly what he was doing, but trust me, I saw absolutely nothing. Somehow I managed to win $500 and left. Later, zengrifter told me that based on the rules and pen alone I had a losing game. lol But if the dealer was doing something, and he may have just been one of those types who like to pretend the part, he was probably afraid to try it with the intense scrutiny I was giving him, although you and I both know that a really seasoned mechanic will do it right under your nose without so much as blinking an eye-- and you won't see it or hear it. How could you hear that tiny whisper in a noisy casino anyway?

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    '2nds' is something surv has known for a long time but I only witnessed this once. In the beginning, we were looking for collusion but that was eliminated. We determined the dealer was helping out players who toked and killing those who did not. The final straw was when the cut card was observed being dealt as the hit card instead of the top card. Amazing, crooked and funny at the same time. Definitely, one of the incidents I will remember in my career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. Dane View Post
    '2nds' is something surv has known for a long time but I only witnessed this once. In the beginning, we were looking for collusion but that was eliminated. We determined the dealer was helping out players who toked and killing those who did not. The final straw was when the cut card was observed being dealt as the hit card instead of the top card. Amazing, crooked and funny at the same time. Definitely, one of the incidents I will remember in my career.
    The casinos frown upon "private enterprise."

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. Dane View Post
    The final straw was when the cut card was observed being dealt as the hit card instead of the top card.
    That is priceless! I always tell people, based on what experts have said from the earliest days, that you'll never see it if a dealer's dealing seconds. But this proves that there's an exception to every rule.

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    it really is best to avoid male dealers in pitch games. if it can't be avoided, watch his thumb. if the left thumb never leaves the top of the deck, he's dealing 2nd's. 90% of the male dealers i've experienced, have been either 2nd dealers or preferrential shufflers. in shoe games, you have to watch out for shoes with a taller face.

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    If it's a shoe game, the dealer probably has help from others and is not operating alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveistheman84 View Post
    90% of the male dealers i've experienced, have been either 2nd dealers or preferrential shufflers.
    You must play in a den of thieves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Most Interesting Man View Post
    If it's a shoe game, the dealer probably has help from others and is not operating alone.
    If it's a shoe game, the house must be in on it. It's their shoe. It is possible, however, for a dealer to mark the cards in the course of play eliminating the need for a prism peek, and it is possible to deal seconds from a straight shoe, just not as easy. All of this is academic, for the most part, because if you play in major casinos in the United States, you may never sit at a table where the dealer is cheating in your entire career. May you live to a ripe old age!

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    Dealing seconds from a normal shoe is quite hard, and usually requires the right hand to come over to the shoe.

    However, a dealer can also use an anchor at 3rd base to cheat if he has a marked deck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moo321 View Post
    a dealer can also use an anchor at 3rd base to cheat if he has a marked deck.
    Absolutely! Hey, what's a good Christian boy like you doing knowing all these advanced cheating techniques, anyway?

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