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    Big savings should override any objection to team play.

    One example from the casino's point of view.
    If all 5 members of a team play together, and each member plays a minimum bet of $25 and loses, the casino collects $125.
    If all 5 members are there, but only one plays, the casino collects only $25, a savings of $100 for the team.
    If there were 100 minimum bets lost, that's a savings of $10,000.
    Each member has only $5 invested in one single bet.
    The bet spread stays the same, but the savings continue all the way up the line.
    With these kinds of savings, the bankroll is effectively lengthened for all members.
    Regardless of what level your team plays at, you can enjoy big savings, even at a minimum bet of $5.
    being able to effectively bet below the min. bet, offsets the casinos always trying to increase the min to attain
    their edge faster.
    Higher minimums threaten all bankrolls.

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    Seems like a round about (convoluted) way of saying a team should designate one person to play the role of spotter and then call-in four big player teammates when the count goes up, as opposed to all five playing all counts. Never heard it described as "savings"

    If the way the poster described it is truly the way a casino sees it, then I think they need to upgrade their hiring criteria. Or maybe we should hope they carry-on as is....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intermediate View Post
    Seems like a round about (convoluted) way of saying a team should designate one person to play the role of spotter and then call-in four big player teammates when the count goes up, as opposed to all five playing all counts. Never heard it described as "savings"

    If the way the poster described it is truly the way a casino sees it, then I think they need to upgrade their hiring criteria. Or maybe we should hope they carry-on as is....
    Thought it was a good way to show team savings, by trying to contrast what a casino receives. I would expect each member
    would take turns playing. I also was addressing the trust issue among members. There is a contrast between what you perceive a team advantage is,by all playing together as opposed to the savings I mentioned on minimum bets. I really don't know which method is better. Perhaps someone could run a sim and post the results whether savings show a better result than your method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falling star View Post
    Thought it was a good way to show team savings, by trying to contrast what a casino receives. I would expect each member
    would take turns playing. I also was addressing the trust issue among members. There is a contrast between what you perceive a team advantage is,by all playing together as opposed to the savings I mentioned on minimum bets. I really don't know which method is better. Perhaps someone could run a sim and post the results whether savings show a better result than your method.
    I still don't know what you're saying. Can you start from the beginning and pretend you're talking to a small child?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moo321 View Post
    I still don't know what you're saying. Can you start from the beginning and pretend you're talking to a small child?
    A solo player must bet the table minimum $25.
    A team solo player must also bet $25 (table minimum), but in reality is only betting 1/5 (his share of the bankroll).
    If all team members are playing at the same time, there is no savings, because each is betting the $25.
    Playing spotters at other high limit tables are also costing the bankroll.

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    Is this somehow related to the losses that spotters take by playing basic strategy?
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    Falling star, I don't think all of the spotters play at the same table. They play different tables and when one gets a good count, they call in the BP. You seem to be suggesting they all play at the same table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodarc View Post
    Falling star, I don't think all of the spotters play at the same table. They play different tables and when one gets a good count, they call in the BP. You seem to be suggesting they all play at the same table.
    Oh god, if that's what he was getting at, that's just silly.........hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodarc View Post
    Falling star, I don't think all of the spotters play at the same table. They play different tables and when one gets a good count, they call in the BP. You seem to be suggesting they all play at the same table.
    I'm suggesting only one team member plays. Each member of the team plays at a different time.
    There can be a spotter, but not a playing one.
    The mention of the other team members being there was an exaduration.
    If the team members are worried, they can keep an eye on things, but not play.
    It's in everyone's self-interest to make the team successful.

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    So you want one person playing and other team members watching? You will never be on a team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet View Post
    So you want one person playing and other team members watching? You will never be on a team.
    If you trust your team, there is no problem. Only members who need reassurance can waste their time watching from afar, or are generally interested in the outcome, because they are in effect playing through the other member.

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