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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    In this case, it appears that going to the backroom is what got him the video.
    It's interesting they had audio, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    And they are not handcuffing me in a casino for counting. There would be a scene.
    In my opinion (not a lawyer), the best thing to do would be to let them handcuff you without any resistance.

    Imagine your lawyer cross-examining the security officer in front of a jury:
    1. "Did my client offer any resistance to your unlawful detainment?" No
    2. "So then, is it correct that you handcuffed my client using his brain?"

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    He was banned/evicted for 7 days and would get a letter in the mail saying how much longer he'd be banned. As far as I know, he would have to get "served" (Pineapple Express guy) that letter....or else he'd be free to return after 7 days, yes?

    Interesting how stupid they would be, claim they thought he was cheating, but never arrested him and let him keep the chips and said he could cash them out later or have someone else cash them. Wait what?
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    Each state has different laws regarding law enforcement's ability to ask for ID.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes

    Some states require persons to identify themselves to law enforcement, some don't. Nevada law allows a detained person to simply state his name.

    If Maryland does not have a "Stop and identify" law then refusing to provide identity to law enforcement is not crime. In this case, I think I would not give the law enforcement my ID, and would said no more than "I've done nothing illegal, am I free to go?" If arrested for legal behavior, they can not charge you for failure to identify, without a "Stop and Identify" law.

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    They sent a car to his house to pick him up. Shouldn't they already have a decent idea of where and who to send the trespass notice to? I mean I get that there may have been an alias involved, but they act as though they have no way to identify the guy, as though they had never seen him before, when clearly that isn't the case.

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    Perhaps Justin Mills will become a member here.
    Yeah, the limo angle is funny. They sure know how to treat their high rollers.
    Hell, the story states he was down $2800.00 when they pulled the plug
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    Excellent audio!!

    Picked up from home?? Why would you take a car sent by the casino??

    Edit: OK. So I haven't read it in full. It says his car was in the shop and called his host who then sent the car. If you have a host, wouldn't the casino already have your information?
    Last edited by BJNewbeeNoMore; 10-28-2014 at 03:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJGolf View Post
    I hope he pursues it. In any case JUST to change police procedure. It's amazing what cops will do as we know. I don't always think it's badly intentioned but they start working an area and pretty soon they become "brainwashed" by the other side. I still can NOT believe he said card counting was ILLEGAL.

    Cops always love a man in a uniform.

    They also want that juicy Head of Casino Security postion when they get tired of stealing pocket change at bogus drug stops.

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    I think there is a strong case for unlawful detainment. In order for there not to be an illegal detainment, Maryland or local law must stipulate the business's right to request ID for the purpose of filing a no trespass and it must further stipulate that they have the right to detain you if you refuse to show your ID so that police may be summoned to themselves obtain your ID. That's a whole lot of stuff to put in a law and my gut is that no such provision exists. It would in fact give police powers to the casino's security, which I don't think the state or local jurisdiction would want to do. I would say that Mr. Mills has a strong case for unlawful detainment. As for the police's statement that he must either provide his ID or be taken to the station, that is more complicated, since it is premised on the casino's right to detain the person against their will in the first place. That, too, may be illegal, and had Mills gone to the police station and been fingerprinted and forced to show his ID, he might additionally have a case against the police for illegal arrest and illegal search, since no crime had been committed.

    The policemen's erroneous thinking that a crime had been committed is no justification for a lawful arrest. Not only are citizens held accountable for ignorance of the law, but policemen, as well. The only stretch I can think of is that the law might require a citizen to give his ID to a business for the purpose of their filing for a no trespass against the individual. That would mean that Mills was in violation of an ordinance by not producing his ID. I doubt if such an ordinance exists, but even if it does, I doubt further that it permits the casino to lawfully, forcibly detain the individual.

    I talk like an expert, but I readily admit that I am no such expert. It seems like basic logic. But the law does not always follow such logical paths (if you happen to agree that my logic is correct). I will be dismayed if Mills does not quickly and strongly pursue this matter in court. It's at least a civil case, and possibly a criminal one.

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    The cops are obviously crooked and on the take. They should have called their Sargeant who may also be on the take. They should lose their jobs over this one. Baltimore City requires you to show ID to City cops upon request but Maryland Live is not in Baltimore City. The rest of the "Free State" you can still walk free without any papers as the Constitution states you can. This should be worth 6 figures to the guy if he pursues it.

    I have visited many states and used the authorities to protect me from the casinos as should be their sole job. ONly Pennsylvania's and now Maryland's gaming commissions have proven to be crooked and against the customers. I have casino commission officers on speed dial in the jurisdictions I play at. It is usually enough for the casino trying to go outside what the law allows. When it is not the casino pays huge after the call is made. Usually 6 figures to the commission. In this case the call will be to a lawyer and the 6 figures will be payed to the customer with the lawyer getting his cut.

    I guess once all my ploppy buddies from Maryland here about this one they won't be arguing that they shouldn't be joining me in Delaware or New Jersey so they can stay in Maryland. My hosts love me because I travel with people that are bad gamblers and have lots of money they don't mind losing. Maryland Live just cut their own throat. I doubt any of them will ever go back there again. They may be stupid at gambling but they didn't make their fortunes by being dumb enough to risk going to an establishment with the history Maryland Live just goy for itself. Especially using crooked cops to do their dirty work. If they know the people that are supposed to protect them from the casino are not going to protect them, they will not play Craps, Baccarat, Roulette or high stakes slots there that is for certain.

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    The cops are probably not crooked - just stupid. If I had a dollar for every time a cop told me something that was not true, I could have retired 10 years earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mofungoo View Post
    The cops are probably not crooked - just stupid.
    This is the way I see it as well. I thought the cops acted professionally, just incorrectly. With all these new jurisdiction in the last few years, there is a learning process for casinos as well as police. It will take a few successful lawsuits to educate all of them. They may think they are acting within the law, but they will find out that they are not. And just because something is written that way by the casino or even by the state, doesn't make it legal. That's what the whole court process is for.

    Justin Mills seems to have a pretty good idea that the actions taken against him were unlawful. I hope he pursues the issue. In my mind, the funny thing is that they have made it so easy for him. Maryland Live will be providing the key evidence in the form of this video. Testimony from officers and Maryland Live personnel will almost be irrelevant.
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    Messing with the police can have them "target" you at a later date. There are many ways for them and their buds to "look for you" as they will have you car make, license number and even find out where you have a cocktail and stop you after. They don't have to be that smart, just have enough guys in on the revenge. I was once falsely arrested and the judge said the case will be dropped, just sign this. It was a no sue clause. I said no and he said come back next week for trial. When I returned the case was dropped without me signing a no sue for false arrest. I did not sue because eventually they would have gotten me for something or nothing.
    The casino guys are different. If they are so dumb as to forcefully detain you then let it be a brawl.
    I counted 2 officers and 6 others around this guy. Why?

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