Are they cheating me??

[GOGETER10]

OK....I play BJ at the Hard Rock in TAMPA.... As you all may know, BJ is fairly new here in FLORIDA. It's mostly operated by the SEMINOLE INDIANS. I jump my bets frequently from 25 to 250 or more without any heat. It's like they don't seem to care. Been doing it for months and not one time have I've been harrassed. Is it because they're cheating and know I can't beat them?? I've heard stories of them adding little cards to the deck at their other property in SOUTH FLORIDA. It's 6 decks, Dealer stand on 17, Double any cards.... So what do you guys think?? ARE THEY CHEATING??

[22playing21]

It is highly unlikely they are cheating. Maybe they feel your play is not strong enough to worry about it.. you can always ask to see the cards spread on the table before a shuffle. Most casinos spread the cards when they first open the pit right in front of the players.

[moo321]

The fact that they haven't kicked you out is your reason for suspecting cheating?

Having running counts over +10 at the end of every shoe is a reason to suspect cheating. Seeing marked cards is a reason to suspect cheating. Seeing a dealer peak at a card is a reason to suspect cheating.

What you are describing is a dumb crew.

[bigplayer]

A few thoughts

1. The first sign of heat you will ever get there is when you're being escorted off the premises by casino security.
2. If you're on the $25 min 8dk h17 games you have virtually no chance to beat them
3. $250 bets are not high enough to warrant a call to anyone
4. They aren't cheating.

[MidwestTom]

OK....I play BJ at the Hard Rock in TAMPA.... As you all may know, BJ is fairly new here in FLORIDA. It's mostly operated by the SEMINOLE INDIANS. I jump my bets frequently from 25 to 250 or more without any heat. It's like they don't seem to care. Been doing it for months and not one time have I've been harrassed. Is it because they're cheating and know I can't beat them?? I've heard stories of them adding little cards to the deck at their other property in SOUTH FLORIDA. It's 6 decks, Dealer stand on 17, Double any cards.... So what do you guys think?? ARE THEY CHEATING??

You said above you've been going for months spreading 25-250 . The question is have you been winning consecutively for months ? They'll let you lose for ever .

[Goatlife]

you are 100 percent not getting cheated. But you should stop playing that game in that manor its a waste of time and energy. They are not worried about a 250 max better on their 1.5-1.8 cut 8 deck h17 shoes

[Dieter]

They'll let you lose for ever .

They may even sincerely congratulate you on an occasional nice win.

[MidwestTom]

They may even sincerely congratulate you on an occasional nice win.

Lol. Very true my friend

[Naplesjr]

If you request to see the cards they will escort your tail right out of the casino..
In fact when they open their tables the cards are face down.. NEVER DO YOU GET TO SEE THE CARDS IN THE SHOE. If just a couple of 5’s are added the entire game is tilted to their favor.
INDIAN CASINOS CHEAT... I was sitting alone at the Immokalee casino ,, thats in the middle of nowhere..
I asked the pit boss to please show me the cards,, he declined. I OFFERED HIM 500.00, He declined.
Nobody gets to see the cards.. They pay Florida 120 million per year for their license to steal.
No other casino can have a blackjack game.. The fix is in and the state backs them.

[blueman]

I played their DD game for a few days and multiple hours. I would spread to 2x400. They let me play quite some time. But then i started swinging hard, and was finally greeted by 2 guys in suits and 4 or 5 security guards. They were very mean and nasty. They 86d me from ALL seminole properties, and walked me to my car. They would not let me cash out my chips either without giving up my ID.

[Eye of the Eagle]

@ Naplesjr:

At IL, IN, and MI casinos you can watch the dealers spread the decks when the tables open if you get there at the right time...have you been there when a table opened?

I have been there in MI when they open up tables. All cards are spread and examined at MGM,GT,MC. I can't speak for all the Indian ones but the ones I have been to at least 8 of them have the same procedure. Spread and examine.

[BJGenius007]

OK....I play BJ at the Hard Rock in TAMPA.... As you all may know, BJ is fairly new here in FLORIDA. It's mostly operated by the SEMINOLE INDIANS. I jump my bets frequently from 25 to 250 or more without any heat. It's like they don't seem to care. Been doing it for months and not one time have I've been harrassed. Is it because they're cheating and know I can't beat them?? I've heard stories of them adding little cards to the deck at their other property in SOUTH FLORIDA. It's 6 decks, Dealer stand on 17, Double any cards.... So what do you guys think?? ARE THEY CHEATING??

Some places I frequently visit used to be very stingy on penetration. When they suspect there are AP, they cut 2 to 2.8 decks off 6D shoe. Now the penetration is 5D/6D or 5.5D/6D no matter what. But often I see 30 small cards coming without a mid or face card interrupting the sequence. That is the boost of RC by +45. All six players double their nine or ten against dealer bust card. Then every one get a small card and the dealer got a few small cards to make 17 or 18 to beat everybody. Casinos are armed with beast mode ASM nowadays. When they saw AP or very skilled BS players, they just turn it on. Across the forums, many reported the same phenomenon. Yet some people who play very few BJ still don't believe it based on their casino experience eight or nine years ago.

[PinkChip]

you are 100 percent not getting cheated. But you should stop playing that game in that manor its a waste of time and energy. They are not worried about a 250 max better on their 1.5-1.8 cut 8 deck h17 shoes

I thought that 6.5 out of 8 decks played is 81 percent pen and not that bad (5 out of 6 decks is 83 percent and considered decent). In any case better than 4.5 out of 6 decks (75 percent). And that H17 does not affect the counter as much as the basic strategy player (?) However 10:1 spread is maybe too little for 8 decks.