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    pm me for info about canada, esp. if u can trade info

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    if you are gonna try cyprus, try to avoid colony and merit lefkosa, they are less liberal about banning counters then the others.

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    Wouldn't the problem with calling be not knowing the PEN? Say you find out about a 6D S17 ES RSA 3-2 Game in who knows where so you book your trip only to find they deal only half the cards. That would not be fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Guy View Post
    Wouldn't the problem with calling be not knowing the PEN? Say you find out about a 6D S17 ES RSA 3-2 Game in who knows where so you book your trip only to find they deal only half the cards. That would not be fun.
    Forgive me, but wouldn't such a game offer an off the top advantage? How would that not be fun?

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    No it wouldn't and with 50% PEN traveling to a foreign country to play it would def not be fun IMO.

    With NO PEEK, NO DAS and D10 it would NOT have an advantage.

    Also, Some of the advertised ES cannot be used against an ACE so you don't gain the same gain that you would with true ES.

    BUT even with true ES I would most definitely NOT travel out of the country to play it if the pen was 50%.

    If it had good PEN, High Limits, was SAFE and had Lack of Heat and TRUE ES it would be great but HE wise It would be slightly better than some games which I can find in the SAFETY of the US for 25% of the travel costs.

    You could fly all the way there based on a phone call and the rules can be not what you were expecting, (IE ES but not against Ace No DAS, D10 ETC) plus there can be heat, then to make it worse they cut the shoe in half.

    My point was something that sounds great on the phone may not actually be all it's cracked up to be once you get there.
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    It is important to understand what your "overhead" is if you are thinking of playing BJ far far from home.


    Fees vary, but you will need to pay to convert your cash into local currency and back into dollars.

    You can expect to pay exorbitant aggregate fees as high as 4% or 5% in various countries.

    In London I met an (AP) investment banker who offered to convert currency for 1% each way, as a personal favor.

    Estimate your win rate, and then factor in the exorbitant currency exchange fees, the European "No Hole Card" rules and generally poor penetration (of 65% - 70% most typically); and you should conclude that Card Counting is a generally poor idea, although there are methods for exploiting these games. Interested parties may contact me regarding this cryptic statement.

    Note: In many countries dealers are sloppy and careless ... making for Carnival Games ripe for exploitation.

    Note: In many countries table maximum bets can be
    uncomfortably low.

    Note: Being an American will put surveillance on "High alert" - if you are not one among many tourists.

    Note: Korean Casinos do not want your business. They will tolerate you if you lose a lot, especially if you are drunk.
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    I have only a little experience with international blackjack, but I have heard it can be difficult to lay down much action as an American. You also have to figure in travel costs, and you had better know how to spot cheating moves.
    Last edited by moo321; 10-17-2012 at 09:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    It is important to understand what your "overhead" is if you are thinking of playing BJ far far from home.


    Fees vary, but you will need to pay to convert your cash into local currency and back into dollars.

    You can expect to pay exorbitant aggregate fees as high as 4% or 5% in various countries.

    In London I met an (AP) investment banker who offered to convert currency for 1% each way, as a personal favor.

    Estimate your win rate, and then factor in the exorbitant currency exchange fees, the European "No Hole Card" rules and generally poor penetration (of 65% - 70% most typically); and you should conclude that Card Counting is a generally poor idea, although there are methods for exploiting these games. Interested parties may contact me regarding this cryptic statement.

    Note: In many countries dealers are sloppy and careless ... making for Carnival Games ripe for exploitation.

    Note: In many countries table maximum bets can be
    uncomfortably low.

    Note: Being an American will put surveillance on "High alert" - if you are not one among many tourists.

    Note: Korean Casinos do not want your business. They will tolerate you if you lose a lot, especially if you are drunk.
    So from this, I'm getting:

    1. Get a Nauruan/Venezuelan passport or marry a foreigner.
    2. Travel on junkets or during peak season.
    3. Korea is that bad? BJInfo suggested it offered a pretty good work environment.
    4. [Redacted]

    Anything critical I missed?

    Also for those who network extensively it strikes me that APs hitting each other's countries both benefit from converting at zero commission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbyte View Post

    So from this, I'm getting:

    1. Get a Nauruan/Venezuelan passport or marry a foreigner.
    2. Travel on junkets or during peak season.
    3. Korea is that bad? BJInfo suggested it offered a pretty good work environment.
    4. [Redacted]

    Anything critical I missed?

    Also for those who network extensively it strikes me that APs hitting each other's countries both benefit from converting at zero commission.
    *Some* games in Australia are beatable. Last time I looked, Crown still offer S17, double 9, 10 and 11, DAS ,with at least 75% pen with 8 deck shoes, in the high roller rooms. But be very careful about heat - I would recommend strict flat bet aggressive Wonging. If you are an islander, asian or black that wood be good cover. The arsehole racists at Crown, just might turn a blind eye. Then again, you might end up in the Yarra - be very, very careful.

    Koz84 would probably know better than me.

    Hope that helps,
    Brett.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Why play that rot. Hop on your roo and get to the airport. Fly to the East Coast of the US. 6 deck DAS, DOA, SP4, LS with decent to great pen games abound. Western US for pitch games. Not much heat if your a smart player either.
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