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    Cvcx penetration

    Hello,
    I just started using the CVCX online and I was wondering if
    the full paid version lets me set the penetration to less than 52 cards
    on two deck game. Thank you.

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    No. That requires CVData.
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    Thank you.

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    Question with penetration, probably ever asked :

    1) For CVCX and sims. Penetration like 84 % (4.38/6) is it the same if there is 1 or five cards burned ?
    I believe than if the dealer put the red card just before 84 cards off, for you and cvcx, the penetration is always 4.38/6, whatever there are 1 or five cards burned, right ? ( of course its better to have 1 burn cards)
    Last edited by KZman; 07-31-2016 at 07:51 AM.

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    2) With CV DATA ST/ADDin, for schuffle tracking setup
    If there are 5 burnt cards and i want to play the first hand of the shoe with tracking paramaters, do i have to enter 312 or 307 for the start card ?
    Same question for burnt cards, do i have to cut 5 five cards more if 5 cards burnt ?

    Thanks you again.
    Last edited by KZman; 07-30-2016 at 08:13 AM.

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    You specify the position of the cut card relative to the entire shoe. The number of burn cards is a separate factor. Same with tracking. You specify where in the shoe you are tracking and cutting. The burn cards are taken after the shuffle and cut. So, if you cut some good cards to the very front, and they are burned, you lose them.
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    Ok. So in fact there are no word in BJ to exprim how many cards is PLAYED ( and not dealt like burn cards) before the red card appears. No big difference of course.
    Thanks.

    I did a sim with bottom tracking RR Two pile one pass, and just chop bad cards, the results are wrong. I am going to try to success.

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    I dont find.

    "Pseudo Length – Normally referred to as N, this is the length of the PZ for purposes of calculating the True Count. This field does not appear if Fixed Bets is selected. Click the NRS button if you wish to use a simple NRS calculator."

    Pseudo lenght is pseudo decks, exprimed in cards yes ?
    So if i want to chop ( cut out of play) bad cards, with TZ=26 PZ=52, pseudo lenght is 286, can you confirm ?
    Really sorry but i dont find where is my mistake.
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    Thanks, i have bought your book and read it. I just would like a confirmation, it would help me as my results sims are wrong, i need its.

    "Pseudo lenght is pseudo decks, exprimed in cards yes ?
    So if i want to chop ( cut out of play) bad cards, with TZ=26 PZ=52, pseudo lenght is 286, can you confirm ?
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    Please if you can just confirm the sentence, i would like to see my error and have good sims...

    Moreover,
    My schuffle is a classic two pile RR, cut off topped, 26 grabs for eache pile ( 6* (2*26)). No cut of dealer.
    5 BURN CARDS.
    Penetration 84 % = 5,04/6

    I would like to TZ the bottom 26 cards of discard tray and cut them out of play if poor TZ ( low cards).

    Can you confirm that what i filled is good ? I join a link with screenshot, the link is secure.

    http://hpics.li/2338f9d
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    One question more :

    With CVData, when i have to choose the penetration of a schuffle,

    if i choose 5.04/5 ( 50 cards off), then its stays only 50 cards in the cut off, but i dont understand why, if i play the last hand even alone, some cards after cut card of dealer will be played so in the majority of time there will be less than 50 cars in the cut off, so if i track the last cards played, i will have an error.

    So if i understand, if i do a sim with real schuffle and ST/cvdata, i would to have to fill different penetration for the shuffle and setup of the sim ? ( penetration of setup of sim < penetration of schuffle ? )

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    One question more :

    With CVData, when i have to choose the penetration of a schuffle for the schuffle editor real schuffle,

    if i choose 5.04/5 ( 50 cards off), then its stays only 50 cards in the cut off, but i dont understand why, if i play the last hand even alone, some cards after cut card of dealer will be played in the majority of time there will be less than 50 cars in the cut off, so if i track the last cards played, i will have an error.

    If i understand, if i do a sim with real schuffle and ST/cvdata, i would to have to fill different penetration for the shuffle/editor choosen and setup of the sim ? ( penetration of setup of sim < penetration of schuffle ? )

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    Yes, the dealer usually deals past the cut card in a casino and in CVData.
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