Moving to Vegas in Future

[ZenKinG]

Thinking about a 2x100-2x500 spread wonging in at +1, while also playing off the top and wonging out and also sometimes 'playing all' to mix it up for cover purposes. Reason I chose a +1 wong in is because for my system a +1 I already have the edge, the win rate is higher, I'll be getting more hands in per hour, the N0 is actually lower than a +2 wong in, and I will be standing around less looking suspicious and instead I'll be in action more often. Only downfall of course would be a higher standard deviation and a slightly higher risk, but there seems to be more positives for me jumping in at +1 rather than +2.

Once I get a good sized bankroll for this spread and bet size, I'm thinking about moving there and going a mix of part time and full time. My question is, if I can constantly move around, alternate between many casinos each and every day, play different shifts mixing it up nicely(recording everything in Excel) and never play the same shift in the same casino for 3-4 weeks, keep records of heat each visit and on each shift, will that be enough for any longevity or will I have to eventually lower my max bet? How are the tolerance level in Vegas generally? Is 2x500 too high of a max bet for any type of longevity there? What max bets usually don't cause any heat? Which casinos share information with one another? Would appreciate any advice from KJ or others who regularly play in Vegas. By the way this is assuming a very great act, im very sociable when I play and am confident I can continue to do so, almost like a Ken Uston type personality. It's not a problem for me. Of course I also have other little cover ploys I like to do that I have mentioned before on this forum that I have in my arsenal.

[ohbehave]

With a small spread you can't afford to play negative counts. Have you considered what to do when you buy in at +1 and the count falls after playing just 1 round. It will happen frequently when coming in at +1.

Can't help with Vegas, sorry.

[ZenKinG]

I would adjust spread acordingly if playing all or playing off the top and wonging out. Regardless I won't be playing all or playing off the top and wonging out much anyway, it's just to mix it up to keep them guessing.

Yes if I wong in +1 I will take a bathroom break and come back and switch pit or table. If it happens a certain amount of times for my threshold I'm done with that casino shift for 3-4 weeks.

[code red]

It sounds like a hard strategy, but good luck to you.

[bigplayer]

Thinking about a 2x100-2x500 spread wonging in at +1, while also playing off the top and wonging out and also sometimes 'playing all' to mix it up for cover purposes. Reason I chose a +1 wong in is because for my system a +1 I already have the edge, the win rate is higher, I'll be getting more hands in per hour, the N0 is actually lower than a +2 wong in, and I will be standing around less looking suspicious and instead I'll be in action more often. Only downfall of course would be a higher standard deviation and a slightly higher risk, but there seems to be more positives for me jumping in at +1 rather than +2.

Once I get a good sized bankroll for this spread and bet size, I'm thinking about moving there and going a mix of part time and full time. My question is, if I can constantly move around, alternate between many casinos each and every day, play different shifts mixing it up nicely(recording everything in Excel) and never play the same shift in the same casino for 3-4 weeks, keep records of heat each visit and on each shift, will that be enough for any longevity or will I have to eventually lower my max bet? How are the tolerance level in Vegas generally? Is 2x500 too high of a max bet for any type of longevity there? What max bets usually don't cause any heat? Which casinos share information with one another? Would appreciate any advice from KJ or others who regularly play in Vegas. By the way this is assuming a very great act, im very sociable when I play and am confident I can continue to do so, almost like a Ken Uston type personality. It's not a problem for me. Of course I also have other little cover ploys I like to do that I have mentioned before on this forum that I have in my arsenal.

Most places have limits for mid-shoe entry. Backcounting with black chips does not fly very well in Vegas. You'll actually fly better (less heat and not face mid-entry limits) spreading 1x$25 to 2x$500 exiting the game at -1.5 True rather than trying to backcount.

[ZenKinG]

Most places have limits for mid-shoe entry. Backcounting with black chips does not fly very well in Vegas. You'll actually fly better (less heat and not face mid-entry limits) spreading 1x$25 to 2x$500 exiting the game at -1.5 True rather than trying to backcount.

Well I wasn't thinking about betting black, I was always going to bet green. I want to avoid the color black at all costs. Although at 500, 20 green chips might start looking odd. Not sure your 1-40 spread idea playing off the top and wonging out is the best way either but some advice ill consider and probably use. Thanks

[privador81]

Im not sure wongin in and out nowadays creates less heat. When u enter +1 50%+ prob count goes under +1. So u are creating lots of buzz, when u go in and out. Additionally Your EV is quite marginal, if u all the time running table to tbale

[mcallister3200]

To be honest there really isn't enough decent games to avoid playing on the same shift for 3-4 weeks, it might look like there is looking at cbjn but there really isn't. You can get the play in but realistically you'll be playing short sessions in the same casinos more often than you think.

[privador81]

So totally Bj is dead. A few places to play. if u play a lot u will get barred and vice versa

[KJ]

So totally Bj is dead. A few places to play. if u play a lot u will get barred and vice versa

YES!. Blackjack in Vegas is dead. Rather than move here, where there is much heat (on many levels) and no water, aspiring FT players should head to the Midwest where the good games are. Our Midwest contingent will welcome you to their backyard with open arms. (Mr O, might even put you up for a while....)

Most places have limits for mid-shoe entry. Backcounting with black chips does not fly very well in Vegas. You'll actually fly better (less heat and not face mid-entry limits) spreading 1x$25 to 2x$500 exiting the game at -1.5 True rather than trying to backcount.

There are a couple things I don't really like about this spread that bigplayer is recommending. First is the $500 max bet. $500 is one of those threshold amounts (like $100 and $1000) that draws more attention than playing just under that amount. So if $500 is your top bet range, I would play either $400 or $450 instead. If you are going to crack that $500 threshold that draws additional attention in many places, you might as well make it worth your while and go well beyond.

Second thing is the spreading to two hands during positive counts. That is something that is less tolerated, or perhaps I should say more noticed in Vegas than other places for some reason. That's not to say you can't get away with it, especially if you don't play Vegas regularly. But if you play the same rotation of stores regularly, spreading to 2 hands will get you noticed and effect longevity.

Now, ZenKinG, originally mentioned always playing two hands. Spreading 2 x something, to 2 x something larger. I personally don't know about this. I don't employ that method. A couple regular Vegas players have indicated that it isn't viewed the same as spreading from 1 to 2 hands. Once I realized that spreading to two hands was problematic for someone like myself, who plays a regular rotation of stores, I just decided to stick to a single hand. At my levels this is well tolerated and that is really the name of my game and it has served me well.

[ZenKinG]

YES!. Blackjack in Vegas is dead. Rather than move here, where there is much heat (on many levels) and no water, aspiring FT players should head to the Midwest where the good games are. Our Midwest contingent will welcome you to their backyard with open arms. (Mr O, might even put you up for a while....)




There are a couple things I don't really like about this spread that bigplayer is recommending. First is the $500 max bet. $500 is one of those threshold amounts (like $100 and $1000) that draws more attention than playing just under that amount. So if $500 is your top bet range, I would play either $400 or $450 instead. If you are going to crack that $500 threshold that draws additional attention in many places, you might as well make it worth your while and go well beyond.

Second thing is the spreading to two hands during positive counts. That is something that is less tolerated, or perhaps I should say more noticed in Vegas than other places for some reason. That's not to say you can't get away with it, especially if you don't play Vegas regularly. But if you play the same rotation of stores regularly, spreading to 2 hands will get you noticed and effect longevity.

Now, ZenKinG, originally mentioned always playing two hands. Spreading 2 x something, to 2 x something larger. I personally don't know about this. I don't employ that method. A couple regular Vegas players have indicated that it isn't viewed the same as spreading from 1 to 2 hands. Once I realized that spreading to two hands was problematic for someone like myself, who plays a regular rotation of stores, I just decided to stick to a single hand. At my levels this is well tolerated and that is really the name of my game and it has served me well.

I'm aware spreading from 1 to 2 hands is not tolerated very well and is the very reason I said 2x100 - 2x500, I want to stay consistent and not jump from 1 to 2.

But considering I mix up the stores I play regularly as well as the shifts in between stores and my cover is top knotch, do you think 2x500 is too aggressive for any type of longevity?

[KJ]

But considering I mix up the stores I play regularly as well as the shifts in between stores and my cover is top knotch, do you think 2x500 is too aggressive for any type of longevity?

First there is no magical amount that guarantees longevity. Different stores have different tolerance levels and they vary by time and day. Some of the local stores I play I can only top wager $200 or $300, especially during weekday slow times, other (many) stores I max bet at $400, and a few I go beyond $500. You have to learn your stores and their comfort and tolerance levels.

I thought I answered the part about $500. Yes, generally speaking, $500 is pretty aggressive if you are going to play the same regular rotation of stores, especially if you are going to mix up shifts, which means, you have to play some at slow times. Again, I recommend you replace that $500 amount with $400 or $450, for those stores that handle it.

As for the part about wagering two hands, I can't answer that. That is outside my experience.

[mcallister3200]

So totally Bj is dead. A few places to play. if u play a lot u will get barred and vice versa

Meh, not really. But once every 3 or 4 weeks per shift, lets do the easy math. If you got 25 playable games give or take 5 either way, 21-28 days, that's pretty much one casino per shift each day, and one shift you probably either have bad conditions or are sleeping. Then he's keeping sessions kinda short for longevity, let's say average 30 minutes, and we're talking about 1 hour per day of play, based on the once every three or four weeks thing. logisticall you would either play more once every one or two weeks or add some travel if you wanted to play full time or regularly. I can't speak to betting anything above 200 as a max bet, out of my realm there.