When the count go negative

[bjarg]

Enough of the "wrong and/or erroneous bull****!!! In a straight counting game (which is the context here) my claim is right on. Norm provides a SEPARATE forum for advanced play that includes shuffle tracking so if you want to change the context here, make it clear instead of trying to play your cute little "gotcha" game.
Using your words, "we all" see that it isn't working very well for you.

muffdiver

Now arent you a sensitive fellow!
Relax... my comment wasnt intended to play any "gotcha" games, whatever that means.
Even if its out of context, that doesnt change the fact that your statement, the way you put it, is wrong.
Me pointing out your mistake led to other readers wanting to know more about why I said it was wrong, which could eventually lead to other members learning more about this game.
And isnt that what this forum is all about?
Us sharing what we know and learning from what others know?
So maybe it was out of the context that was being discussed in this thread.
So what?
Do you think the people who wrote me and now understand that betting in negative counts doesnt always mean losing money care about that?
Even the OP might benefit from it.
The only idi... sorry, the only person that was offended by it was you.
So relax my friend... my post wasnt intended as an attack.
I dont have any personal issues with you nor am interested in playing any sort of games with you either.
And I dont understand what it is exactly that is not working well for me.
My life is freaking awesome man!

In a straight counting game my claim is right on.

True.
Fair is fair.

[RobinHood21]

I'd like to learn. I choose to play all in my shops. Any and all info is much appreciated. I believe I get PMs if that helps at all,


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[muckz]

I played a session where I accidentally cut off a packet of low cards consistently on an ASM, I played every shoe in the negative. It also ended in the extreme negative. I won a lot of money!

[Ouchez]

Please elaborate. Are you talking about the use of Sting? That term hasn't been used in this thread before right now.

B-Jarg is referring to STing, I am almost positive. If you are playing the STinging game, you may very much want to hang around, big+ or big -, doesn't matter. You may have a shoe where you lose, and everyone is saying , including the dealer what a bad table this has been, that things are bad, and then the STinger deploys and it all changes, money is won, and at that point on it only gets better.

I have played with wongers that were STingers that jumped in at the shuffle, they did very well, I did the same, but it gets far to obvious and you usually will not last long.

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[Ouchez]

I played a session where I accidentally cut off a packet of low cards consistently on an ASM, I played every shoe in the negative. It also ended in the extreme negative. I won a lot of money!

I have had interesting things through the years on ASM's,,the problems is you can never know for sure, alot like fighting in the dark without the night vision googles. But muckz, you are heading in the right direction.

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[21gunsalute]

You are very much wrong.



I can think of many reasons and all of them involve winning money.

Here is muffdiver's original quote:

"Negative counts= losing money. Why increase your bets and lose more?"

And here is the OP's original question:

"When the count go negative
Do you press your bets when you just keep winning IE DD NO MID SHOE ENTR??"

I don't see anything here in regard to other advance plays. Muffdiver's answer is 100% correct per the info given, based solely on the count. I know this is all hair splitting and semantics, but you were the one who started splitting those hairs and who keeps pressing this non-issue. Stop bickering solely for the sake of bickering. You're not adding anything new and pertinent to the discussion here.

[21gunsalute]

Well, there are at least 6 members here who would disagree with you and that learned something new thanks to my bickering.

So the facts say that I actually added new and pertinent things and that people benefited from it.

I wonder what it is you added with this idiotic post. Muffdiver's a big boy and Im sure that if he was offended by what I said he can defend by himself. There is no need for you to jump in his defense (I hope nobody does in mine), more so when nobody is attacking him. You make him look like an idiot. And to be honest with posts like this you look like one yourself.

muffdiver, if you were offended by my post I appologize.
Next time I reply to one of your posts I promise I will try to be more careful not to hurt your feelings.

You are very much wrong. Your post implies that negative counts are winning situations. If you're STing or using another advantage play it has nothing to do with the count. You may have an advantage play if the count is negative and you may have an advantage play if the count is positive or neutral. All things being equal, when the count is negative and one continues to play it is a losing situation, and there is no reason to increase your bets based on a negative count, which is all the OP has stated. You haven't offended me and I doubt you've offended muffdiver, but based on the info given you are clearly wrong...and being quite a jerk and acting overly defensive about it.

[bjarg]

You are very much wrong. Your post implies that negative counts are winning situations.

Where did you get that from? If anything, what my post implied was that betting in negative counts doesnt always mean losing money. Im all up for a discussion, but if we are going to do this at least take the time to properly read and understand my posts.

All things being equal, when the count is negative and one continues to play it is a losing situation, and there is no reason to increase your bets based on a negative count, which is all the OP has stated.

Agreed.
Not really sure why you say this though.

but based on the info given you are clearly wrong...and being quite a jerk and acting overly defensive about it.

Im going to try to break this down for you in the easiest way I can:

based in the info given and in the context of the op muffdivers post was spot on. Best post in this boards history and surely pom winner if there was one.

my reply was not intended to be in context, but as a reply to muffdivers specific sentence.

Why I did that?
Most players think that betting in negative counts = losing money.
Realizing and understanding that that is not true is the first step into exploring newer and better aspects of bj advantage play.
So the fact that I posted that made new players (many that are lurking this forum and trying hard to learn) to wonder why I said what I said, which eventually led them to understanding something that to me is essential in bj play.
If that helped people learn something new, wouldnt you say it served a good purpose?
Even if it had nothing to do with the op and its context?

Ill say it again: if the purpose of this forum is to learn, then what I did was awesome

you say im acting defensive?
No my friend.
muffdiver was the one that got all worked up with my post thinking I was writing it as a personal attack, when I wasnt.
I just used his sentence to do what I said before and I can assure you there are many people that are happy I did.
it could have been muffdiver or anybody.
my post would have been the same.

seriously my friend, i dont have anything personal against you (muffdiver).

[bjarg]

Come on norm... why the hell did you erase my previous post? This censorship thing is getting ridiculous. What was wrong with it? If there was a specific word you didnt like you could have just deleted that word.

[Norm]

The word 'idiot' means: 'a mentally handicapped person'. Stop using it. I don't have time to edit nasty posts. Please treat people with respect.

[bjarg]

The word 'idiot' means: 'a mentally handicapped person'. Stop using it. I don't have time to edit nasty posts. Please treat people with respect.

The person you claim I disrespected himself said he wasnt offended.
You take it too far sometimes.
Ive seen a lot worse that was never censored.
If my participation on other boards bother you just say so.
Ill be out of here in a minute.
I dont really want to be a part of a community where Im not welcome.

muffdiver, 21, I meant no disrespect by any of my posts.
I like and enjoy heated and sassy debates and I dont think theres anything wrong with that.
In fact many times a lot can be gained from such discussions.
If you were offended I appologize and I hope we can hold no grudges.
cheers.

[Three]

Wow. There is a bell curve of advantage around the average advantage at each true count that usually ranges pretty wide. The average bell curve for HILO has almost a 5% range or about 2.4% on either side of the average advantage. See graph on Eric's site in link below:

http://possiblywrong.wordpress.com/2...ckjack-part-2/

By using more information than a linear count you can fine tune the estimate of advantage. Your count may say that you are at disadvantage but through using a non-linear approach to gathering information and using the multidimensional aspect you can make more accurate bets. The HILO TC may be -1 but you know that you have a 1% edge give or take.

While it may be true that on average you are betting in a negative situation at certain true counts the reality is you may have a strong edge. If you can detect these situations through gathering more specific information you can bet with an advantage in a negative count through straight counting.