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    When the count go negative

    Do you press your bets when you just keep winning IE DD NO MID SHOE ENTR??

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    Not unless I had additional info. I may not drop automatically if winning due to camo considerations, but I don't press higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SURFER View Post
    Do you press your bets when you just keep winning IE DD NO MID SHOE ENTR??
    Usually the answer is no, but if I'm betting $25 and win 3 or 4 hands in a row on a shoe game and the count is neutral to mildly negative I might start adding $5 to $10 to my bet after each win. On a double deck game when the count drops and I'm betting low I just act distracted and keep making the same bet as the shufle will come around soon enough.

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    I've tried doing that and I just couldn't make enough money to make it worth while.
    You have to have a pretty big spread to make money doing that, right?

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    Negative counts= losing money. Why increase your bets and lose more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by muffdiver View Post
    Negative counts= losing money.
    You are very much wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by muffdiver View Post
    Why increase your bets (...)?
    I can think of many reasons and all of them involve winning money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    You are very much wrong.



    I can think of many reasons and all of them involve winning money.
    No, I'm not very much wrong. In theory negative counts alone lose money. That's why we don't play them. Sure you can use indices for negative count play to make it playable but it never gets to the same plus edges that positive counts do. It's pretty much a "treading water" deal for play all players.
    Beyond that, all you'll gain is cover and how much do you want to pay for cover?

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    Quote Originally Posted by muffdiver View Post
    No, I'm not very much wrong.
    Oh, trust me, you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    Oh, trust me, you are.
    Please elaborate. Are you talking about the use of Sting? That term hasn't been used in this thread before right now.

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    I raise my bets in extreme negative counts for Spanish 21 because of the multi-card bonuses for drawing to 21.
    Vincit Qui Patitur

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    Quote Originally Posted by muffdiver View Post
    Please elaborate. Are you talking about the use of Sting? That term hasn't been used in this thread before right now.
    True.
    Nevertheless, your statement is wrong.
    Dont really want to elaborate since you already know why and I dont want to hijack the thread (like you said those subjects are not what's being discussed here).
    Just wanted to point out the fact that that comment is erroneous.
    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    True.
    Nevertheless, your statement is wrong.
    Dont really want to elaborate since you already know why and I dont want to hijack the thread (like you said those subjects are not what's being discussed here).
    Just wanted to point out the fact that that comment is erroneous.
    Cheers.
    Enough of the "wrong and/or erroneous bull****!!! In a straight counting game (which is the context here) my claim is right on. Norm provides a SEPARATE forum for advanced play that includes shuffle tracking so if you want to change the context here, make it clear instead of trying to play your cute little "gotcha" game.
    Using your words, "we all" see that it isn't working very well for you.

    muffdiver

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    Quote Originally Posted by muffdiver View Post
    Enough of the "wrong and/or erroneous bull****!!! In a straight counting game (which is the context here) my claim is right on. Norm provides a SEPARATE forum for advanced play that includes shuffle tracking so if you want to change the context here, make it clear instead of trying to play your cute little "gotcha" game.
    Using your words, "we all" see that it isn't working very well for you.

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    Now arent you a sensitive fellow!
    Relax... my comment wasnt intended to play any "gotcha" games, whatever that means.
    Even if its out of context, that doesnt change the fact that your statement, the way you put it, is wrong.
    Me pointing out your mistake led to other readers wanting to know more about why I said it was wrong, which could eventually lead to other members learning more about this game.
    And isnt that what this forum is all about?
    Us sharing what we know and learning from what others know?
    So maybe it was out of the context that was being discussed in this thread.
    So what?
    Do you think the people who wrote me and now understand that betting in negative counts doesnt always mean losing money care about that?
    Even the OP might benefit from it.
    The only idi... sorry, the only person that was offended by it was you.
    So relax my friend... my post wasnt intended as an attack.
    I dont have any personal issues with you nor am interested in playing any sort of games with you either.
    And I dont understand what it is exactly that is not working well for me.
    My life is freaking awesome man!

    Quote Originally Posted by muffdiver View Post
    In a straight counting game my claim is right on.

    True.
    Fair is fair.
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