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    What did the dealer say?

    Hi friends, I went to a Casino town with a group of friends for a few days. This happened on the last night.

    First I would like to state that I only drink rarely. What is rarely? In the past two years I have drank three times. Needless to say, this weekend I got blitzed. Later on in the night I started to sober up (still pretty drunk) and walked normally across the lobby to the casino tables and started playing. I put $100 down to play. It was minimum bet $10, 6 deck, no surrender, BJ pays 2 to 1, etc. After a while I was up and down but eventually I lost my $100 because I raised my bet accordingly and lost a few hands while the count was high. Because I wanted to play more I put down another $60 (which was a self imposed limit because I wanted to be careful as I have never gambled drunk).

    The strange thing was this. When the dealer exchanged chips for cash he called out the respective transaction to the pit boss normally. (By the way, the dealer was a great guy and personality - as a side note I really appreciate personality dealers, they make losses and stings that less hurtful).

    BUT, when I put down another $60 to play. The dealer asked the pit boss to come over and they spoke to each other. The dealer pointed to my $60 and started saying something along the lines of "he put down $60" --- then I couldn't hear the rest. The pit boss gave me an ordinary look (it didn't seem anything bad or good, just ordinary). Then the pit boss walked away.

    I am wondering if any of you had any idea what the dealer said to the pit boss?

    I don't think it had anything to do with counting merely because I don't move my lips, I acted like the functional drunk I was, and I made plays to show that I didn't know basic strategy or indices. However, I did make a play where I drunkenly stood on a 13 vs a dealer's 10 because I firmly knew the next card drawn was going to be a 9 or 10 (I was right - such a high count and near shuffle. Also, the first base player split tens on a positive count so I would think they would have focused on him more on me.

    I want to find out because it may be heat, it may be not, it may be that this is a sign that I need to rethink my camo, etc.

    Thanks for the help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoolAid90 View Post
    I am wondering if any of you had any idea what the dealer said to the pit boss?
    The pit personnel have different responsibilities. In most places I play the Floorman (the most likely guy you will see in the pit wearing a suit) must record all buyins over $100. He may not have recorded the first $60. The dealer is not allowed to look back so he listens for responses to his calls. They do this to make employee theft harder to get away with. The dealer may not have been sure if they recorded your $60 buyin and wanted to make sure that at least the combined buy in was recorded. Knowing the procedures going on in the pit helps you differentiate between heat and normal procedures.

    The only procedure that fooled me in recent years was when the suits were changing shifts. I had been taking a major beating and had lost all the purples in my pocket and had been spewing Benjies from early in the shoe. I see the suits congregating and obviously talking about me. It was time to leave anyway as people were starting to show up and I was playing with more than 1 person. I left thinking I was about to get the axe. But after reflection I realized the suits in the pit were changing shifts and the out going staff was briefing the incoming staff on what was going on and the most important thing to communicate was about the guy losing money like crazy (me). I don't know exactly what they were saying but I never had any issues playing after that session which confirmed my later assessment that they were changing shifts and exchanging the normal info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoolAid90 View Post
    However, I did make a play where I drunkenly stood on a 13 vs a dealer's 10 because I firmly knew the next card drawn was going to be a 9 or 10 (I was right - such a high count and near shuffle
    Not good to play using that warm and fuzzy feeling. Play by the count. My count doesn't even have an index for standing on 13v10. That means the index is over +25 TC since I know all the ones less than that. Unless you literally know what card is coming (like you saw it or observed a defect in the card that is visible telling you what the next card is) you follow what the indices tell you to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    The pit personnel have different responsibilities. In most places I play the Floorman (the most likely guy you will see in the pit wearing a suit) must record all buyins over $100. He may not have recorded the first $60. The dealer is not allowed to look back so he listens for responses to his calls. They do this to make employee theft harder to get away with. The dealer may not have been sure if they recorded your $60 buyin and wanted to make sure that at least the combined buy in was recorded. Knowing the procedures going on in the pit helps you differentiate between heat and normal procedures.

    The only procedure that fooled me in recent years was when the suits were changing shifts. I had been taking a major beating and had lost all the purples in my pocket and had been spewing Benjies from early in the shoe. I see the suits congregating and obviously talking about me. It was time to leave anyway as people were starting to show up and I was playing with more than 1 person. I left thinking I was about to get the axe. But after reflection I realized the suits in the pit were changing shifts and the out going staff was briefing the incoming staff on what was going on and the most important thing to communicate was about the guy losing money like crazy (me). I don't know exactly what they were saying but I never had any issues playing after that session which confirmed my later assessment that they were changing shifts and exchanging the normal info.
    Tthree, thanks for clearing that up!

    I was afraid my camo was not sufficient enough in addition to my already drunken stupor that was real.

    Also thanks for the tips and giving me some insight on some of the procedures that happen in the oval.

    If you have time, can you tell me the difference between the Floorman and the Pitboss? Also the best way to get comps?

    Thanks for the info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Not good to play using that warm and fuzzy feeling. Play by the count. My count doesn't even have an index for standing on 13v10. That means the index is over +25 TC since I know all the ones less than that. Unless you literally know what card is coming (like you saw it or observed a defect in the card that is visible telling you what the next card is) you follow what the indices tell you to do.

    You're definitely right. I was kind of embarrassed to write that on here but I decided to include it in order to get the best possible response.

    When I think of that warm and fuzzy feeling, I will imagine Tthree breaking a ruler over my head ha ha.

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    The Floorman is the lowest level suit in the pit. His job is to record all buyins over a certain amount if not all buyins period. He confirms cash to chip exchanges in either direction again having a minimum that actually requires him to look at it. The dealer knows what the Floorman must give higher scrutiny to. He also records the color ups of all players. He is also responsible for knowing where every chip above a certain amount went. In most stores that is $100 chips but some smaller places track $25 chips and up. These procedures are primarily to protect against employee theft but can be useful for comp purposes and can be used for flagging counters. Often you will see the dealer and Floorman counting down the tray and trying to assign missing chips to people (if any that are tracked are unaccounted for). The Floor also is the first line for settling disputes and procedural errors.

    The Pitboss oversees the Floor and often has 2 or 3 pits he is responsible for. He can do anything the Floor can do but has more authority. In most places he is the only one in the pit that can access your win/loss records. Comps may have to go through him as well if they are available from the pit.

    The Pitboss must be in on limit changes at a table. The opening and closing of tables go through him but all this may originate from his supervisor the Table Games Manager.

    You have to ask for comps and usually are required to play rated to get them (use a players card). Blackjack is not a game that generates good comps. They will rate your skill level at BJ. There are typically 3 levels. I am not sure what they are called but the first level I call idiot. If they rate you as an idiot you will get the most comps for your play. The next level is perfect BS player which gets some comps but notably less than the idiot rating. If you reach the last rating of skillz player comps all but dry up. For what used to get you rooms and/or meals barely gets you a sandwich if you are lucky. Often the next step is a backoff if you are too frequent a visitor or win too much either at one time or all together. In case you didn't get it BJ isn't a good choice for comps but before they rate you a skillz player you will generate comps of some value.

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    Since 1) you were drunk, 2) bought in for $100 at a $10 table, 3) were increasing your bets etc and 4) you lost that $100, I think the convo went like this:

    Dealer: This guy is buying in for another $60.
    Pit: Already? Those crinkled twenties were probably his gas money to get home. Muah-ha-ha!
    Dealer: Muah-ha-ha!
    Pit: How long do you give him?
    Dealer: 4 hands.
    Pit: I'll take the under. *licks chops*

    In all seriousness, they just keep track of buy-ins. As discussed above, he was just letting the pit know your total buy-in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyUtah View Post
    Since 1) you were drunk, 2) bought in for $100 at a $10 table, 3) were increasing your bets etc and 4) you lost that $100, I think the convo went like this:

    Dealer: This guy is buying in for another $60.
    Pit: Already? Those crinkled twenties were probably his gas money to get home. Muah-ha-ha!
    Dealer: Muah-ha-ha!
    Pit: How long do you give him?
    Dealer: 4 hands.
    Pit: I'll take the under. *licks chops*

    In all seriousness, they just keep track of buy-ins. As discussed above, he was just letting the pit know your total buy-in.
    Ha ha ha! Yeah I would not doubt the convo went like that. However, there seemed to be a lot others in that same situation there. It was a classy casino too!

    I prob met you on the fun bus to dover haven't I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    The Floorman is the lowest level suit in the pit. His job is to record all buyins over a certain amount if not all buyins period. He confirms cash to chip exchanges in either direction again having a minimum that actually requires him to look at it. The dealer knows what the Floorman must give higher scrutiny to. He also records the color ups of all players. He is also responsible for knowing where every chip above a certain amount went. In most stores that is $100 chips but some smaller places track $25 chips and up. These procedures are primarily to protect against employee theft but can be useful for comp purposes and can be used for flagging counters. Often you will see the dealer and Floorman counting down the tray and trying to assign missing chips to people (if any that are tracked are unaccounted for). The Floor also is the first line for settling disputes and procedural errors.

    The Pitboss oversees the Floor and often has 2 or 3 pits he is responsible for. He can do anything the Floor can do but has more authority. In most places he is the only one in the pit that can access your win/loss records. Comps may have to go through him as well if they are available from the pit.

    The Pitboss must be in on limit changes at a table. The opening and closing of tables go through him but all this may originate from his supervisor the Table Games Manager.

    You have to ask for comps and usually are required to play rated to get them (use a players card). Blackjack is not a game that generates good comps. They will rate your skill level at BJ. There are typically 3 levels. I am not sure what they are called but the first level I call idiot. If they rate you as an idiot you will get the most comps for your play. The next level is perfect BS player which gets some comps but notably less than the idiot rating. If you reach the last rating of skillz player comps all but dry up. For what used to get you rooms and/or meals barely gets you a sandwich if you are lucky. Often the next step is a backoff if you are too frequent a visitor or win too much either at one time or all together. In case you didn't get it BJ isn't a good choice for comps but before they rate you a skillz player you will generate comps of some value.

    Thanks for the information regarding the explanation of exactly what I inquired about.

    It would be nice to have an inside scoop on everything else goes on in the back. Now if I could only get an inside dealer!

    Too bad about the comps, I get hungry after playing a while. A nice buffet would be nice.

    Yeah I noticed my friends who are BJ players (I don't think they count or religiously play Basic Strategy) don't really get any comps.

    Once again, thanks for the advice!

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    The fox makes lots of sounds. I could recognize them all but not sure how to communicate them non-verbally. Like many animals long range communication has a rhythm to it. A high pitched yap-yap-yap-yap.

    The one nobody figures out what the sound is comes from the bobcat. It is most often thought to be a baby crying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoolAid90 View Post
    However, I did make a play where I drunkenly stood on a 13 vs a dealer's 10 because I firmly knew the next card drawn was going to be a 9 or 10 (I was right - such a high count and near shuffle.
    Where did u get the information that high count near shuffle means this ? And what exactly Is the basIs for makIng the call to stand on that ? Was this In a book ? Don't worry about heat after that move..
    now thats for sure.. standing on 13 vs 10 will get u comps and asked to stay forever

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    I was in Biloxi this past few days. I asked the dealer if surrender was available since there were no rules posted anywhere and he said yes, it was allowed. Two very very new female players were sitting at the table with me and asked him what surrender was, so he explained it to them. One of them then asked him what you had to do to surrender and he said, "here you must say it verbally since we have had people try to say they wanted a hit when they see the next card so you must stand up, throw both arms up in the air, wave your hands back and forth, and shout I surrenderrrrrrrr!" Well these two girls were feeling the sauce just a bit and they got into the act so they were enjoying the surrendering more than playing. Every few minutes, one of them would toss her hand, stand up, throw her arms up in the air, wiggle her hands, shake her ass just a little and shout " I surrenderrrrrr completelyyyyy Mr. Dealer!" or some such phrase. They added their own comments as they went along such as " Ohhhhh God, I surrenderrrr!" Well, the dealer finally took a break and the Pit Boss walked over and asked them what they were doing and they said surrendering. He asked them who told them that was how it was done and she said the dealer. He just cracked up laughing, shook his head and walked off. Needless to say, it was an enjoyable hour or so until they surrendered all their money and left.
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