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    Thanks guys. I'm very flattered that other subscribers to the forum here have recently replied to my original post - bearing in mind it's now more than four years old - but for the record I never did compile that list.

    For those in the UK who are either involved in blackjack advantage play, or who are interested in taking it up, I'd recommend having a plan "B" in the back pocket which will have to involve travelling outside of the UK. I say plan "B", as plan "A" will probably be based on identifying those places in the UK where exploitable shoe-dealt games are still on offer, and taking advantage of these until the inevitable occurs and the welcome mat is taken up, however long that my take - although it probably won't take too long to happen if you're playing for fifty quid plus a unit, and less than that in a regional casino where the table mins start as low as three quid a pop.

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    Blackjack games in just about every Western European Country are not playable.

    As for London, I haven’t been there since August 2015, when I was there, I actually was very impressed with the array of games they had. Do remember though that the casinos, especially in London, are “private clubs” who when you sign up I believe say in the T&C’s that counting is against their rules. So AFAIK, they have the right to just say “you were counting cards and violated our terms. We’re not paying you.” However this sort of mentality was not my experience when I was there, albeit for a very very short period of time (about four days). I went to Napoleon in Leiscester Square when they use to have 4D shoes (I believe it’s all CSM now) and won 3,000£ in about 30 min going from min to 2x max, and was paid out fine.

    In the subsequent days that I did go back to play, and still played the same MO, I was just half shoed a lot of the time. They never hassled me.

    If you want to email me, I have a list of places throughout London you could check out, and in exchange, you could give me updates on the conditions of the casinos. [email protected]. I also have always suspected that outside of London, especially up north, if you’re not too greedy, there are probably some very good opportunities because a lot of those casinos probably do not get enough action to justify the cost of a CSM. At one point in time I had debated traveling, and being based out of Newcastle because I have several friends there, and playing around that area. But I never got around to doing it.

    But again, even slightly up north, or outside of London, I always suspected there are opportunities since there is really no disposable income in the UK. And really what pro wants to be based out of a small, gray, depressed weather area with nothing to do? So I would suspect they likely don’t see many green chip players, and would probably be hesitant to back one off going 1-8 or 1-6, depending on your count and your skills. This of course is still just a theory, and we have the T&C’s problem as I mentioned above.

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    Hmmm . . . . "... there is really no disposable income in the UK."
    And as for Newcastle-upon-Tyne being a "small, gray, depressed weather area with nothing to do." ???

    Wrong on both counts I'm afraid.

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    I’m not trying to insult anyone, but let’s not kid ourselves. Northern UK cities are not exactly tropical paradises. The same is true for cities in the US like Detroit, Minneapolis, Cleveland etc... every country has cities with bad weather. Lying about it and trying to make it seem something it is not isn’t going to help anyone.

    And there absolutely is more disposable income in the US compared to the UK. I can surely sugar coat things for people, but I’m not sure how much help that would be. Sometimes the truth hurts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackjackFeign View Post
    I’m not trying to insult anyone, but let’s not kid ourselves. Northern UK cities are not exactly tropical paradises. The same is true for cities in the US like Detroit, Minneapolis, Cleveland etc... every country has cities with bad weather. Lying about it and trying to make it seem something it is not isn’t going to help anyone.

    And there absolutely is more disposable income in the US compared to the UK. I can surely sugar coat things for people, but I’m not sure how much help that would be. Sometimes the truth hurts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UK-21 View Post
    Newcastle-upon-Tyne
    British Pubs can be very nice to visit.
    I'd bet that there are some nice Pubs there, but after that
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackjackFeign View Post
    Blackjack games in just about every Western European Country are not playable.

    As for London, I haven’t been there since August 2015, when I was there, I actually was very impressed with the array of games they had. Do remember though that the casinos, especially in London, are “private clubs” who when you sign up I believe say in the T&C’s that counting is against their rules. So AFAIK, they have the right to just say “you were counting cards and violated our terms. We’re not paying you.” However this sort of mentality was not my experience when I was there, albeit for a very very short period of time (about four days). I went to Napoleon in Leiscester Square when they use to have 4D shoes (I believe it’s all CSM now) and won 3,000£ in about 30 min going from min to 2x max, and was paid out fine.

    In the subsequent days that I did go back to play, and still played the same MO, I was just half shoed a lot of the time. They never hassled me.

    If you want to email me, I have a list of places throughout London you could check out, and in exchange, you could give me updates on the conditions of the casinos. [email protected]. I also have always suspected that outside of London, especially up north, if you’re not too greedy, there are probably some very good opportunities because a lot of those casinos probably do not get enough action to justify the cost of a CSM. At one point in time I had debated traveling, and being based out of Newcastle because I have several friends there, and playing around that area. But I never got around to doing it.

    But again, even slightly up north, or outside of London, I always suspected there are opportunities since there is really no disposable income in the UK. And really what pro wants to be based out of a small, gray, depressed weather area with nothing to do? So I would suspect they likely don’t see many green chip players, and would probably be hesitant to back one off going 1-8 or 1-6, depending on your count and your skills. This of course is still just a theory, and we have the T&C’s problem as I mentioned above.

    You're quite wrong about the current conditions in the UK. Sadly things have changed since you must have been here. There are a few good games in London and there are a number of casinos that are walk in without the need to show ID. They are not all 'private clubs'.

    There are only about 4 or 5 casinos in the whole of the UK (outside of London) that do not have csms because most casinos are part of one of the large chains like Grosvenor. Oh, and all non-csm tables are now 6D. There's very little point in people contacting you because you haven't a clue about today's games here. Sorry.
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    When I was in London, (almost 3 yrs. ago) I played only in the better Private Clubs.

    I played with a (famous billionaire) Poker Player, etc. but the important thing to understand is that the casinos CAN simply take your chips a d all money on deposit (read that as all your money) by simply stating, You were Counting Cards and that is against our rules. I watched it happen to my partner - to the tune of >$100,000 (U.S.) before his connections managed to get it returned 2 days later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    When I was in London, (almost 3 yrs. ago) I played only in the better Private Clubs.

    I played with a (famous billionaire) Poker Player, etc. but the important thing to understand is that the casinos CAN simply take your chips a d all money on deposit (read that as all your money) by simply stating, You were Counting Cards and that is against our rules. I watched it happen to my partner - to the tune of >$100,000 (U.S.) before his connections managed to get it returned 2 days later.
    When you play with Phil Ivey and Cheng Yin Sun there's bound to be trouble :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by ummagumma View Post
    There are a few good games in London and there are a number of casinos that are walk in without the need to show ID. They are not all 'private clubs'.

    Oh, and all non-csm tables are now 6D. There's very little point in people contacting you because you haven't a clue about today's games here. Sorry.
    First of all the games on my list are private clubs, and are good that I am willing to trade info on.

    And what’s wrong with six deck games?

    For those who want to email me if you’re free. For those who do not, no harm no foul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackjackFeign View Post
    First of all the games on my list are private clubs, and are good that I am willing to trade info on.

    And what’s wrong with six deck games?

    For those who want to email me if you’re free. For those who do not, no harm no foul.

    I didn't say there was anything wrong with 6D but you said when you were in town they had 4D which no one has in the UK now....

    Why play at a private club when you have to hand over info about yourself ?

    All the registered clubs in the UK are listed freely here: https://secure.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/PublicRegister click on the license data button and you can download the Excel file

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    Private Clubs are completely uncrowded at all times and offer better conditions.
    They cater to their players in ways that are almost unimaginable. My AP friends
    have heard tell of my experiences, especially at The Playboy Club in Mayfair.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ummagumma View Post
    I didn't say there was anything wrong with 6D but you said when you were in town they had 4D which no one has in the UK now....

    Why play at a private club when you have to hand over info about yourself ?

    All the registered clubs in the UK are listed freely here: https://secure.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/PublicRegister click on the license data button and you can download the Excel file
    I understand but I have notes on about 10 clubs in London.

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