Best counting system

**James989** · 03-30-2014, 09:38 PM

What if you have no choice but to play 6 decks game with 50% penetration, what is the best counting system ? Hi-Opt II or Zen count ?

**muckz** · 03-30-2014, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by James989

What if you have no choice but to play 6 decks game with 50% penetration, what is the best counting system ? Hi-Opt II or Zen count ?

hilo lite or reko and shuffletracking.

**ZenKinG** · 03-30-2014, 10:31 PM

None. Dont play at all. go find a good game please. You also don't mention the rest of the rules,which I imagine to be average anyway. So go put effort finding better games not what count you use.

If this is just a theoretical question, then Hi Opt II w/ace side. Again, don't waste your time in the first place playing a 50% pen 6 deck game, thats just sad, unless the other rules are ridiculously good

**Gramazeka** · 03-31-2014, 01:00 AM

Basic strategy.

**Bushido** · 03-31-2014, 04:16 AM

If this is you only choice...Play Video Poker...

**blackjackplyr** · 03-31-2014, 04:29 AM

Penetration is horrible, I would use a hilo or a reko count at a shoe game.

But between the two that you suggested, I'm with ZenKing, Hi-Opt II as the ace is not reckoned, which is why you would side count the aces.

**Three** · 03-31-2014, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by James989

y 6 decks game with 50% penetration

This is what casinos do to make counters leave voluntarily because there is no money to be made at the game. I won't go into the stats but IF you still have an advantage, you will be making peanuts at an extremely high risk of losing your entire BR.

To answer which of the 2 is better it depends on your ability. If you can handle the finer deck estimations and accurately collecting and using the side count information HIOPT II/ace side count is the big winner. If not Zen is a great and versatile count. As no brick and mortar casino is likely to be dumb enough to offer such poor pen unless it is a countermeasure being used specifically against a known counter I assume this is an online game. Besides being not worth playing how do you kmow they aren't also cheating?

**21gunsalute** · 03-31-2014, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Tthree

This is what casinos do to make counters leave voluntarily because there is no money to be made at the game. I won't go into the stats but IF you still have an advantage, you will be making peanuts at an extremely high risk of losing your entire BR.

To answer which of the 2 is better it depends on your ability. If you can handle the finer deck estimations and accurately collecting and using the side count information HIOPT II/ace side count is the big winner. If not Zen is a great and versatile count. As no brick and mortar casino is likely to be dumb enough to offer such poor pen unless it is a countermeasure being used specifically against a known counter I assume this is an online game. Besides being not worth playing how do you kmow they aren't also cheating?

Yeah, but what many casino's don't realize is that this backfires on them. They may rid themselves of counters, but they're shooting themselves in the foot spending too much time shuffling and further pissing off the ploppies with all the downtime.

**Three** · 03-31-2014, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by 21gunsalute

Yeah, but what many casino's don't realize is that this backfires on them. They may rid themselves of counters, but they're shooting themselves in the foot spending too much time shuffling and further pissing off the ploppies with all the downtime.

100% agree.
This is why they only do it as a countermeasure against a known counter. Most totally understand the would be giving up big money to save pennies.

**blackjackplyr** · 03-31-2014, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by Tthree

100% agree.
This is why they only do it as a countermeasure against a known counter. Most totally understand the would be giving up big money to save pennies.

I'm assuming this is in areas like AC? If not, why not just 86 the counter?

**bjarg** · 03-31-2014, 12:27 PM

This is in areas like NOT in the US.

**blackjackplyr** · 03-31-2014, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by bjarg

This is in areas like NOT in the US.

Gotcha, Thank bjarg.

**Three** · 03-31-2014, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by blackjackplyr

I'm assuming this is in areas like AC? If not, why not just 86 the counter?

Often countermeasures are used to gauge your reaction to make sure they aren't 86ing a lucky ploppy. How you react to the countermeasures often determines if you will be backed off. They can subtly hint it is time to leave and it is best to obey or they can test you with a stick at which time it is best to react and play like a clueless ploppyso as not to confirm their suspicions.