Standing on 14,15,16 vs 7 15,16 v 8

[moses]

Everyone knows basic strategy is to hit. But most indexes suggest hitting at a very high positive number. Playing a full index on say a 15 vs 2 is not a crucial decision as a minimum bet would be on the table. But in this instance, a max bet would always be on the table...Now it's going to take some balls to stand.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Moses,

Of course, being located in Reno you are not blessed with Late Surrender;
however it is important to understand that just because you have an index
to apply, that will sometimes maximize your expectation at very "positive"
True Counts, your actual "savings" in terms of e.v., is almost always going
to be rather slight, with > 1% or 2% e.v. improvement being hard to capture.

[steveistheman84]

i don't think standing would get very much attention at all. most players stand all kinds of hands (like 13 vs 7) for fear of busting.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

steveistheman posted . . "most players stand all kinds of hands (like 13 vs 7) for fear of busting."

Quelle Bizarre mon ami.

In what alternative universe or "Twilight Zone" are you playing ?

I have only once (in the last 3 decades) seen a sober person stand on 13 v 7

Please respond.

[207redchipper]

steveistheman posted . . "most players stand all kinds of hands (like 13 vs 7) for fear of busting."

Quelle Bizarre mon ami.

In what alternative universe or "Twilight Zone" are you playing ?

I have only once (in the last 3 decades) seen a sober person stand on 13 v 7

Please respond.

I feel this is an example ^^^ but not far from the truth. I see it a lot, maybe not 13 s 7 but similar hands... especially with people not as familiar with blackjack. The more money on the table, the more fear they have of busting. They don't know the numbers of the game and they put far too much faith in the dealer busting.

[Norm]

I really don't see other player's hands much. I just see their cards. But, I know I've seen stupider moves than this many times.

[mrw464]

You have a very unorthodox style of writing Zen. Quite distinct.

I've certainly seen people doing stuff like standing on 13 v 7. There are people who are absolutely clueless at the tables sometimes. Often someone will tag along with their friend at the table, and have no idea what to do. Granted, 13 v 7 standing is a bit much though.

I think standing on some of these can be fine if you can parlay it into looking like a stupid/drunk ploppy (as cover is generally). There are some people who NEVER hit 16s (not counting 8,8).

[steveistheman84]

steveistheman posted . . "most players stand all kinds of hands (like 13 vs 7) for fear of busting."

Quelle Bizarre mon ami.

In what alternative universe or "Twilight Zone" are you playing ?

I have only once (in the last 3 decades) seen a sober person stand on 13 v 7

Please respond.

man, are you serious? i know you've been doing this a lot longer than me, but it's amazing to me that this is amazing to you. maybe the players in reno are just dumber? i've seen it a ton. really.

[DSchles]

You wrote: "Everyone knows basic strategy is to hit. But most indexes suggest hitting at a very high positive number."

You meant to write: "Everyone knows basic strategy is to hit. But most indexes suggest standing at a very high positive number."

Don

[iCountNTrack]

Everyone knows basic strategy is to hit. But most indexes suggest hitting at a very high positive number. Playing a full index on say a 15 vs 2 is not a crucial decision as a minimum bet would be on the table. But in this instance, a max bet would always be on the table...Now it's going to take some balls to stand.

I don't quite understand your question. You have the option between hitting and standing, you should chose the decision that has gives you the highest expectation value. When the true count is ridiculously high (I think the index is +9 for Hi-Lo you stand). Unlike the decision between hitting and doubling, your decision between hitting and standing does not come with any extra "risk" since your bet is not changed.

[Zach Black]

steveistheman posted . . "most players stand all kinds of hands (like 13 vs 7) for fear of busting."

Quelle Bizarre mon ami.

In what alternative universe or "Twilight Zone" are you playing ?

I have only once (in the last 3 decades) seen a sober person stand on 13 v 7

Please respond.

On high limit tables it rare to find a player that bad. Just this week I observed at a nickel table, a player stand on 14 v A in the game with the 10's removed. Fear of busting outweighs any rational thought about the probability of a win.

[steveistheman84]

i shouldn't have said "most players". that was a gross exaggeration.

[RS]

If you're getting reviewed and you stand on such a hand when the count is through the roof, you do the math...