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    How to not be so obvious that you are counting cards?

    When I play eight decks games I usually use the technique in Blackjack Attack. I attack eight deck games using Mr. Prefect, Wong in and Wong out and White Rabbit technique. The problem is that it makes me look like a card counter when applying those techniques. Especially the wong in and wong out method. It give the casino an indication that I counting when I am standing behind a table. How can I not be so obvious? Since that is the only way I can think of that lets me beat the game with a small bet spread.

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    I backcount 8D games at one of my local casinos. I only do this when there are a lot of players such as on a weekend. With a lot of people around, I feel that I am less likely to be noticed. At these times I can blend in with other non-counters who are watching. I also limit my time in one area to an hour or less depending on the crowd size, table conditions etc. I figure any longer than that, then someone will find what I am doing odd. I try to qualify a new shoe within the first deck. So, I keep moving around as much as possible until I find gold. Once I have spent an hour or so at each area or after having a big shoe, I leave.

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    Use the white rabbit. You obviously have Don.s book and know there is little difference between Mr. Perfect and White Rabbit in terms of EV. It looks a lot less suspicious.

    The other option which might help is a flat betting Mr. Perfect. If you only play advantage counts spreading becomes less of an issue. You may want to wong in a little later. You can run some sims to tweak the attack for this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Use the white rabbit. You obviously have Don.s book and know there is little difference between Mr. Perfect and White Rabbit in terms of EV. It looks a lot less suspicious.

    The other option which might help is a flat betting Mr. Perfect. If you only play advantage counts spreading becomes less of an issue. You may want to wong in a little later. You can run some sims to tweak the attack for this game.
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    If I use White Rabbit and play for a long time than the casino will be suspicious of me and half the shoe which I don't want that to happen. I notice many inexperience dealer who think average gamblers are counters because they are winning and half the shoe. So is the best way to play short session using white rabbit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    If I use White Rabbit and play for a long time
    Then stay shorter.

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    So is the best way to play short session using white rabbit?
    If you want longevity it is all about being within the casino's tolerance levels. You seem to want to push that and you know what will happen and what you need to do to avoid it if you understand what they will tolerate. Frequency of visits and max bets and session length and win amounts and total cumulative win all have tolerance levels for each individual casino and even shift at that xasino. Camo can help you get away with more but that is tricky as many waste too much on expensive camo that isn't effective. You are in the best position to answer your question if you have accurately determined the casinos tolerances. You should already know your answer.

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    Common sense goes a LONG WAY. If you're doing something that feels suspicious, DO the exact opposite.

    Think like a plop, act like a plop, eat like a plop, piss like a plop, shit like a plop.

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    "Don't Cast Your Pearls Before Swine" (Jesus)

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    If I use White Rabbit and play for a long time than the casino will be suspicious of me and half the shoe which I don't want that to happen. I notice many inexperience dealer who think average gamblers are counters because they are winning and half the shoe. So is the best way to play short session using white rabbit?
    You don't know if your going to get half shoed until it happens. Don't make it become a self fulfilling prophecy and think about assumptions and what if's, roll up your sleeves and get in the trenches.

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    Tips beyond not moving your lips or staring at the discard rack:

    If you bust, do NOT wait until seeing the dealer's down card before placing your next bet.

    Be certain that your default action is to bet the same amount that you just did ~ unchanged.

    Do NOT "rathole" chips; unless you believe that the "Eye in the Sky" is simply blind. L.O.L.

    Do not Hit your hand of 16 vs. 10. That should need no explanation.

    Buy-ins need to be kept small and repeated as needed.

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    I already have the book "Blackbelt in Blackjack". By the way Blackbelt in Blackjack was one of the books I refer to when I first start playing the game. What I like about that book is it presents a power card counting system (Red Seven Count) instead of a complex level multi-parameter count. Also, I read the articles in Blackjack forum online a lot. Blackbelt in Blackjack is definitely a good book. I only find one thing lacking in that book is writing more about variances and normal fluctuation. It was not until I study "Color of Blackjack" that I knew that playing two hands at advantage counts will decrease variance of up to 30% I found that helpful in shoe games.

    I will get the book "Advance Tactics Casino Advantage Play ebook.

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    I Wongout at TC = -1 then at the middle of the shoe the count show an advantage again. I wongin and play but the casino was a little suspicious of me. I need pointers from some experts player in this forum on how to deal with this situation. In your opinion what should I do? Should I wait for the shuffle or wongin and play?

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    Why do you feel variance reduction is beneficial?
    Vincit Qui Patitur

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    Why do you feel variance reduction is beneficial?
    Is that a rhetorical question? Lower variance with the same EV means lower risk.

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