is hi opt 2 good for 8d?

[deviru]

i've been using hi opt2 asc for years and successful in dd games. i'm trying to play 8d game because it's the only available option where i plan to move.
the rule is

8d, 60% pen, stand on s17, early surrender, one card after ace split, das, bj 3:2, double any number.

the edge seems pretty good, just wondering if hi opt 2 would be good for this game. i heard a lot of people use hi-lo for shoe games tho, the heat is almost none, so i can do whatever i want ex. wong in the mid shoe, spread 1-20. should i stick with hi opt2? i wouldn't ace side count in 8d game though, it's gonna be too much work.

[RS]

60% penetration on an 8 deck shoe?

[mofungoo]

Without the side count HO2 isn't going to work well. It may be necessary for you to travel to find a good game. Good luck.

[Marvin]

If the game has full early surrender, not just vs the 10, then you have an edge off the top. Coupled with no heat, it sounds like a good game. HO2 without an ace side count should work just fine.

[bigplayer]

badly cut multiple deck games advanced two level counts are a waste of time and effort. That said, Hi-Opt 2 is one of the highest testing counts there is but does require keeping a side count of Aces. You'll get better results looking for a better game to play and using a count that is easy and creates no fatigue. (High-Low, Zen, Halves, KO, whatever).

[seriousplayer]

i've been using hi opt2 asc for years and successful in dd games. i'm trying to play 8d game because it's the only available option where i plan to move.
the rule is

8d, 60% pen, stand on s17, early surrender, one card after ace split, das, bj 3:2, double any number.

the edge seems pretty good, just wondering if hi opt 2 would be good for this game. i heard a lot of people use hi-lo for shoe games tho, the heat is almost none, so i can do whatever i want ex. wong in the mid shoe, spread 1-20. should i stick with hi opt2? i wouldn't ace side count in 8d game though, it's gonna be too much work.

The house edge for the your game is .199% off the top since early surrender is available. Even though the penetration is not that good this game is still a playable game because of the early surrender option. I am assuming full early surrender. Go multiple decks game using a count with ace side count doesn't have much game. I would suggest ace reckon count system like Zen, Hi-lo, KO.

[Nyne]

The house edge for the your game is .199% off the top since early surrender is available.

With full early surrender, it should be a player edge of approximately .2%, not a house edge.

[Bodarc]

Are you sure you can surrender before the dealer checks for blackjack?

[stopgambling]

Off the top advantage,it's a good game no doubt. A great game ,maybe not .no heat ? It is a dream? It is for me ,for i have to play marginal games with a little gravy once in a while.

[Jabberwocky]

That's the thing about bj, marginal games becoming more and more prevalent. And as time continues, it's rated to only get worse.

[Hsiaodi]

Early surrender? Is this game even in USA?

[deviru]

this game is available in asia. and yes, you can surrender against any number as long as the dealer doesn't have bj. i was more comfortable with hi opt2 than any other system since it's the only system i have been using for years. i guess i might have to practice hi-lo again.

btw, do you guys mean you have the edge over the house with early surrender option when you count or just use basic strategy?

[MavSharp]

and yes, you can surrender against any number as long as the dealer doesn't have bj.

This is "Late Surrender" Early Surrender is having the opportunity to forfeit 1/2 of your bet before the dealer looks at his hole card when revealing an Ace or 10.

MavSharp