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  1. 03-06-2014, 04:32 AM #1
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    Are There People Who Count Cards Without Realizing It?

    I was watching one of the Brain Games shows and they said that the mind was very good at math without realizing it and they had a test of numbers flashing on opposite sides of the screen and said that most people could pick the side that had the highest number average instinctively.

    Before I was actually a card counter I was still very good at blackjack and I knew the basics of card counting but didn't really keep an accurate count. I still was able to win most of the time and I seemed to instinctively know when it was a good time to make a larger bet. After that show I was wondering if someone could be a card counter on a subconscious level without realizing it. What do you guys think?
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  2. 03-06-2014, 08:43 AM #2
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  3. 03-06-2014, 09:34 AM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom View Post
    I still was able to win most of the time
    Even counters don't win most of the time.

    I seemed to instinctively know when it was a good time to make a larger bet
    You didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom View Post
    I was watching one of the Brain Games shows and they said that the mind was very good at math without realizing it and they had a test of numbers flashing on opposite sides of the screen and said that most people could pick the side that had the highest number average instinctively.

    Before I was actually a card counter I was still very good at blackjack and I knew the basics of card counting but didn't really keep an accurate count. I still was able to win most of the time and I seemed to instinctively know when it was a good time to make a larger bet. After that show I was wondering if someone could be a card counter on a subconscious level without realizing it. What do you guys think?
    I've seen that episode twice now, and I chose wrongly the left side both times (actually, I remembered that the right side had the higher numbers the 2nd time around but it still appeared to me that the left side did). I really like Brain Games, but I'm not buying their explanation that 80% correctly choose the right side because the brain can quickly make such comparisons, even when the information flashes by too quickly to consciously add up the numbers. I think the explanation is much simpler: Somewhere around 80% of people are right handed, and right vs left is often equated with right vs wrong. I think when given a choice between right and left, when the answer is unknown, most people are going to choose right. I'd like to see what the results would be if the sides had been switched and/or with many different trials run with the higher totals equally distributed between the sides. I'm betting far fewer than 80% would get it "right" under these scenarios.
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  5. 03-06-2014, 10:31 AM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidniteToker View Post
    Even counters don't win most of the time.



    You didn't.


    Counters don't win most of the time? If you lose more overall than you win then you must be doing something wrong. I won on 80% of my trips last year.
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  6. 03-06-2014, 10:50 AM #6
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    If people were born with a knowing by "instinct", (or many people), how to beat a casino just by "feeling" it - Casinos would be out of business. by that logic -why not try your " instincts/Feelings" after loosening up with few cocktails, then a shot of whiskey??? Wouldn't you feel better? Casino owners would love for people to come out with their dollars betting on "instinct and feeling" ...as a matter of fact most people already do that ... and lose... I went to high school and later college with a guy who lost many an entire paycheck betting from instincts on a few "games" ...lost his a-- just about every weekend ...It was sad to watch...at that time losing so much money - Thousands and Thousands , it was a disaster for anybody in his position...he didn't have extra to give up! and noone could talk him out of it ... I tried... He always couldn't figure out how I would walk around gambling places just to socialize, talk to girls, and have a couple beers for fun and I couldn't figure out how he got hooked on adrenaline....if I did gamble, it was just 2 dollars here or there after much contemplation on a dog or horse track race, betting low risk win- place or shows, and things like that -just cheap entertainment that wouldn't effect my life in any way..... I would think most-winners do so with: Hard work/study/learning. That is the winning way, just my two cents.
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  7. 03-06-2014, 12:37 PM #7
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    It's just what they call a "fuzzy" count, but is no way a playable form if you wish to make money. You make an assumption based on the cards.
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  8. 03-06-2014, 02:25 PM #8
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    I say we send him over to the ******* to check out psi-powered gambling
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    There is no instinctive way to get an edge over a casino long term. You might think you do but you don't. There is nothing that replaces learning a counting system and appropriate index plays. No short cuts you either master it or you are subject to the same house edge as the majority of gamblers are.
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    Interestingly enough, Andrew Scott, Australia's most notorious counter, counted without actually realising he was counting. He had devised his own method of advantage play (card counting!) without knowing literature on the subject had been well documented for a while. If that makes sense...
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  11. 03-06-2014, 10:20 PM #11
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    Fuzzy Counting worked (poorly) but worked to some degree in the old single deck games. With double deck (and more deck) your mind starts to play tricks on you and Fuzzy Counting or counting via intuition is not any better than just playing basic strategy.
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    Rely on your instinct's to detect heat. Rely on your system and the math to play.
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    The subconscious remembers. If you could tap into your subconscious whenever you wanted, hopefully you wouldn't be playing blackjack >.<

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