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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    Time is a factor as well. For example, lets suppose a simple level 2 count could be fully master in 3 years. It will take like 5 year to master a more complex count system and the significances is not big in terms of percentage of advantage. Now it will make the count system more attracting if it is easy to master and powerful at the same time.
    Time: what is time? Three years is nothing in retrospect to accomplishment and an advantage.

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    Time: what is time? Three years is nothing in retrospect to accomplishment and an advantage.
    You can do a lot in three years and a lot could happen. I see people's life change significantly in three years. People could get there college degrees in three years. You called that nothing!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzan View Post
    I have been working on the official "how to" manual of Tarzan Count for a few months now. This little project started off as consolidating all my graphs, charts, notes, etc. into one pile. An accumulation of about 20 years worth, it consists of a pile of mostly handwritten papers about 2 feet tall to include things like scribbles on "post it" notes attached to other pieces of paper and is an out of order chaotic mess with the information in fragments scattered throughout. I'm organizing and typing it all out laying out every detail of my count in an organized format that makes it easy to pick apart and understand but leaves out no critical details.

    I question what I may do with the finished product as far as any publication though. I achieve just about as close to perfect play as it gets without having a computer app going as you play but this doesn't come without a little extra effort to train to use it is all, so it's just not for everyone. That being said, I concern myself with putting out there something that as far as commercial publication goes would move about 12 copies, with 7 of those copies being scarfed up by casino people so they can get their winkies all tied up in a knot thinking about how someone could somehow beat them out of some chumpchange. Maybe have it published the day after I croak!! Limits any effect it may ever have on me in my lifetime, that's for sure. Theoretically I could easily live another 50 years or so though. In any case and regardless of what I may do with it, I am going to have this project completed sometime in 2014. It's one of the most powerful counting systems ever devised, so perhaps worth recording for posterity.


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    I will try to be brief. Tarzan is a real-life friend and A.P. colleague.

    It appears that most of our members fail to understand that this is NOT

    card-counting with many side-counts a la multi-parameter card counting.

    The Tarzan Count has a foundation of continually updated RATIOS being

    computed. In the strict sense of the term, only Aces are side-counted.

    The other card ranks all fall into various "buckets" that start off "normal"

    Visualize a "bar-graph" with just a few bars.

    There are bars representing High, Low, and Middle cards.

    The Ratio of Faces to Baby Cards is where your"Betting count" begins,

    and is adjusted for surplus / deficit Aces. Then the middle cards are considered.

    This is an adjusted True Count that is best termed a "Betting Count"

    What, you say ? Middle Cards having to do with the Betting Correlation (B.C.) ?

    Imagine if you can, playing at THREE different tables with matching Hi-Lo True Counts.

    Table 1 has Middle Cards normally distributed.

    Table 2 has a surplus of cards ranking 6,7,8,9.

    Table 3 has a deficit of cards ranking 6,7,8,9.

    Do you think that the B.C. is the same for these 3 sets of conditions at TC = 0 ? TC = +2 ? TC = -2

    Let us know what you imagine the answers to be.

    Back to the issue at hand ...

    The virtually perfect P.E. of the Tarzan Count is owed to the fact that our standard card-counting indices

    which we employ to violate Basic Strategy, is geared to little more than the Ten Density of undealt cards.

    Look at a common hand like 12 vs. 6 You reflexively wave the hand off as your True Count is not negative.

    However your winning chances are significantly enhanced by surplus Middle Cards. Indeed, the Middle Cards become

    "Key Cards" as their scarcity or abundance works for you in TWO ways.

    They enhance your chances when hitting and they simultaneously worsen the dealer's chances.

    Here is another common hand 9 vs. 2

    This time the count is more "plus" than is required in order to feel good about doubling.

    But wait ! There is a strong deficit of Middle Cards. That weaken's your overall chances.

    Even if the TC was a bit negative the double would be excellent with a surplus of Middle Cards.

    I should enumerate just how many hands there are - stiff vs. stiff, Hard and Soft doubles and some splits

    where these Precision Plays contribute to enhancing our e.v. and, importantly, reducing our variance !

    I have witnessed Tarzan "in action" for perhaps 150+ hours in numerous venues over the last few years.

    He spreads his bets very "politely" (as I like to put it) and plays marginal games with unappetizing penetration.

    He almost never catches heat. he plays about 5 days weekly. His skills pay his bills.

    Tarzan's virtues and strengths are high caliber, although his communication skills may not be the strongest.

    I hope that the reader finds this post to be informative. Feedback is more than welcome.
    Last edited by ZenMaster_Flash; 12-02-2013 at 12:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    I will try to be brief. Tarzan is a real-life friend and A.P. colleague.

    It appears that most of our members fail to understand that this is NOT

    card-counting with many side-counts a la multi-parameter card counting.

    The Tarzan Count has a foundation of continually updated RATIOS being

    computed. In the strict sense of the term, only Aces are side-counted.

    The other card ranks all fall into various "buckets" that start off "normal"

    Visualize a "bar-graph" with just a few bars.

    There are bars representing High, Low, and Middle cards.

    The Ratio of Faces to Baby Cards is where your"Betting count" begins,

    and is adjusted for surplus / deficit Aces. Then the middle cards are considered.

    This is an adjusted True Count that is best termed a "Betting Count"

    What, you say ? Middle Cards having to do with the Betting Correlation (B.C.) ?

    Imagine if you can, playing at THREE different tables with matching Hi-Lo True Counts.

    Table 1 has Middle Cards normally distributed.

    Table 2 has a surplus of cards ranking 6,7,8,9.

    Table 3 has a deficit of cards ranking 6,7,8,9.

    Do you think that the B.C. is the same for these 3 sets of conditions at TC = 0 ? TC = +2 ? TC = -2

    Let us know what you imagine the answers to be.

    Back to the issue at hand ...

    The virtually perfect P.E. of the Tarzan Count is owed to the fact that our standard card-counting indices

    which we employ to violate Basic Strategy, is geared to little more than the Ten Density of undealt cards.

    Look at a common hand like 12 vs. 6 You reflexively wave the hand off as your True Count is not negative.

    However your winning chances are significantly enhanced by surplus Middle Cards. Indeed, the Middle Cards become

    "Key Cards" as their scarcity or abundance works for you in TWO ways.

    They enhance your chances when hitting and they simultaneously worsen the dealer's chances.

    Here is another common hand 9 vs. 2

    This time the count is more "plus" than is required in order to feel good about doubling.

    But wait ! There is a strong deficit of Middle Cards. That weaken's your overall chances.

    Even if the TC was a bit negative the double would be excellent with a surplus of Middle Cards.

    I should enumerate just how many hands there are - stiff vs. stiff, Hard and Soft doubles and some splits

    where these Precision Plays contribute to enhancing our e.v. and, importantly, reducing our variance !

    I have witnessed Tarzan "in action" for perhaps 150+ hours in numerous venues over the last few years.

    He spreads his bets very "politely" (as I like to put it) and plays marginal games with unappetizing penetration.

    He almost never catches heat. he plays about 5 days weekly. His skills pay his bills.

    Tarzan's virtues and strengths are high caliber, although his communication skills may not be the strongest.

    I hope that the reader finds this post to be informative. Feedback is more than welcome.
    You are using some new jargon here. Please define middle card. What are the values?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    You are using some new jargon here. Please define middle card. What are the values?
    Think of 4 columns in your mind.
    Column 1 = 2s-5s (+1 to this column each time one of these cards come out)
    Column 2 = 6-9s (+1 to this column each time one of these cards come out)
    Column 3 = 10s (+1 to this column each time one of these cards come out)
    Column 4 (more of a side count) = Aces

    For your first 3 columns you subtract the lowest of the 3 counts from all counts (excluding the Ace side count). So a "4 8 10" becomes "0 4 6."

    These convert to eyeballed percentages in your head based on the remainder of the deck, and you know the probability of any card from the 3 columns coming out and make strategy deviations based on that and your Ace side count.
    Last edited by TheRedKing; 12-02-2013 at 02:18 PM.
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    Thanks Flash!
    Tremendously informative. It explains the general format and zeroes in on overall weakness of count systems in general - that being the gain or loss in effectiveness of success when mid cards are surplus or deficit. I've wrestled with this problem - see some interesting potential. I can't begin to think of all the questions this generates.

    This is not to say I would be interested in a conversion so to speak, but I do see potential in incorporating some or lots of this to an existing halves player. What I also find of interest is the apparent lower spread, apparently generating comparable EV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzan View Post
    I have been working on the official "how to" manual of Tarzan Count for a few months now. This little project started off as consolidating all my graphs, charts, notes, etc. into one pile. An accumulation of about 20 years worth, it consists of a pile of mostly handwritten papers about 2 feet tall to include things like scribbles on "post it" notes attached to other pieces of paper and is an out of order chaotic mess with the information in fragments scattered throughout. I'm organizing and typing it all out laying out every detail of my count in an organized format that makes it easy to pick apart and understand but leaves out no critical details.

    I question what I may do with the finished product as far as any publication though. I achieve just about as close to perfect play as it gets without having a computer app going as you play but this doesn't come without a little extra effort to train to use it is all, so it's just not for everyone. That being said, I concern myself with putting out there something that as far as commercial publication goes would move about 12 copies, with 7 of those copies being scarfed up by casino people so they can get their winkies all tied up in a knot thinking about how someone could somehow beat them out of some chumpchange. Maybe have it published the day after I croak!! Limits any effect it may ever have on me in my lifetime, that's for sure. Theoretically I could easily live another 50 years or so though. In any case and regardless of what I may do with it, I am going to have this project completed sometime in 2014. It's one of the most powerful counting systems ever devised, so perhaps worth recording for posterity.

    Do you plan on getting a patent for your intellectual property?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Thanks Flash!
    Tremendously informative. It explains the general format and zeroes in on overall weakness of count systems in general - that being the gain or loss in effectiveness of success when mid cards are surplus or deficit. I've wrestled with this problem - see some interesting potential. I can't begin to think of all the questions this generates.

    This is not to say I would be interested in a conversion so to speak, but I do see potential in incorporating some or lots of this to an existing halves player. What I also find of interest is the apparent lower spread, apparently generating comparable EV.
    Flash - also - I'm trying to envision actual proper index play in my system adjusted for surplus or deficit of mid or neutral cards. I'm curious as to the % positive effect on EV. One if the reasons this interests me is my erosion of local watering holes so to speak, and what this opens up. Though you indicated close to perfect play with this system, I do like to make occasional mistakes, so to speak on single unit bets.

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    Freightman,

    Tarzan, In comparing his Tarzan Count play variations with "perfect play"

    (generated by a Combinatorial Analyzer), has had a
    correlation of 1.0.

    Yes, you read that correctly. 100% correct.

    Meanwhile, it is not hard to understand and create your own

    indexes by using Griffin's tables of E.O.R. for hand-matchups.

    See the 6th edition (1999) of The Theory of Blackjack

    Focus on the power of 7's and 8's on stiff hands to start with.

    Look at the hand's e.v. and then adjust it up / down for surplus / deficit

    of the card ranks ~ just on a 1 or 2 cards per deck differential.


    I am not suggesting that bizarre subsets of cards are required.

    e.g. Try 13 vs 5

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    Flash
    Thanks for the tip

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    Does the Tarzan count result in fewer splits and doubles overall, or a lower average bet? I ask because I see repeated claims of lower variance. I may be missing something, but ultimately the only way to lower variance appreciably in the game of blackjack is to put less money on the table. Is that truly the case, or are you using the quantitative term "variance" to instead describe downward fluctuations qualitatively? A larger edge with the same variance will result in shorter and less severe downswings (clearly a good thing), but it would be incorrect to describe this as reduced variance. Just trying to understand this system better.

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