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    Going to move from Red to Green Play

    I play both 6D and 2D. The casinos I play in do seem to take green action well from what I can tell. I'm about to move to $25 units in my 2D play, spreading 1-6. (My BR will not support the 6D move up yet) I've known red chip players can get away with a lot but I also know that it changes as you move up into the green arena.

    I'd like to get some advice/suggestions to avoid early mistakes dealing with the PBs and the TEITS. I just don't want to start off on the wrong foot.


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    In my own case, going from red chip spreading to green, to green spreading to lite black, was the single biggest 'jump' in my career. Far greater than the proportionate increase indicates it should be, simply because tables were less crowded, meaning more rounds per hour and more rounds within a shoe when the count does go positive. Also, many more tables available for you to play. And at that time $25 tables offered better rules, s17 vs h17. This isn't the case as much anymore.

    Now obviously there are negatives as well, which is what you asked about. Many places just ignore red chip play altogether, unless you spread too crazy, but either way, green to black begins to get noticed a little more depending on location, how busy it is and what others are betting.

    One bad thing about spreading is that it almost always involves more than one color chip. Going 3 colors, red to green to black, or green to black to purple is a major red flag. Two colors, while very common can be something that begins to get noticed. Now the spread you mentions $25-$150, is all the same color which is a major benefit. (Few places will pay a $150 bet in black, if you were betting $200...more likely).

    When making this jump, keep your sessions short and just try to aware of how it is being 'accepted'. Be careful not to buy-in too big. Most regular players at a $25 table buy in for $300-$500. Buying in any bigger is a red flag and almost screams, "hey, I am going to bet bigger at some point". It's one of those things that is a learning experience. It is also one of those things that we tend to be paranoid about and perceive heat and/or attention when it's not there. But that's part of the learning experience.
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    Bet optimally most of the time but vary your play, maybe freezing your bet if the boss is watching. A lot of backoffs come from the eye these days so be cautious if the boss hawks your table then goes to the phone. It is good not to be the biggest bettor at the table.

    Larger properties tend not to sweat the action as much as a smaller stores but this is not an ironclad rule. Vegas is very sweaty right now. Playing rated might keep the pit at bay for a while, but then they will know who you are. If you play unrated keep sessions short and table hop, or change casinos frequently if that is an option.

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    You don't automatically have to grow your bottom bet to grow your top bet. Use a bigger bankroll or bigger betting unit to increase your spread until your spread is so insulting that playing red chips in minus counts becomes unbearable.

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    I thought I was ready to jump from Red to Green, went on it and the very first session, I lost $1750. At the lower level, I had never lost more than $800. I thought about it some more and went back to the red tables with higher max bets. Thus, while my max bet at Green tables was $200, I went to the red tables and increased my max bet from $120 to $200, made some changes in the ramp up. I think that if you can get away, you should stay at the $10 tables and bet more aggressively at the higher counts. You would benefit from not losing as much at the TC+1 and lower levels where you are now betting $10 instead of $25.

    My conclusion is that unless your max bet is exceeding the 50% of table max allowed, you should stay at red level.

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    What's your bankroll at?
    The Cash Cow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moo321 View Post
    what's your bankroll at?
    30k

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    I would play green at the level for sure. Just Wong out below tc-2. Really there is no rush you can still make just as much at red chip, with a larger spread while keeping ror low wonging. Play both and if you lose a lot readjust your betting unit

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    There is some great advice in here and I want to thank you all for it. Some of it I kind of knew but a few things surprised me. Definitly a few things to think about. Again, Thank you KJ, moofungoo, bigplayer, Zeebabar, and max85. I look for positive variance as I step towards the green world of BJ.

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