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    Dealing with Ploppies

    You know. Those know nothings at the table who try to tell everyone else how to play or get mad if you make a they wouldn't. Most people in casinos – both the players and some of the employees - are not candidates for Mensa. The main problem in casinos is you are dealing with people who do not understand too much about, and don't believe in, the Mathematics are and many times the social skills area either.



    Some of this is psychological warfare/gamesmanship. It's like doing a preemptive strike before they ingratiate you with their wisdom.



    1. Act like your feelings are really hurt when they say something. Kind of put your head down and look at the table. Lol.
    2. Hey! You're ruining the order of the cards. Just say “OH! You mean the umpteen billion different ways they can be ordered!” Ploppies essentially believe that the deck(s) are shuffled in the correct order for the number pf people at the table. So if there is a 6D shoe – remember 312! - and 5 players then they believe the decks were shuffled for that number of players!!!
    3. The preemptive strike against anyone saying anything. Just say to someone who you may struck up a conversation with “Hey you know that nonsense about the order of the cards? Well, there are so many different ways for those cards to be arranged!” Or “Blackjack is not a team sport!” Or “You know what's interesting? If bad players really effected the game then casinos would have shills at the table playing badly. You know. It would mess things up.” And “If I split two tens instead of two Aces, the rest of the cards are going to magically rearrange themselves so things will go bad for the player. Lol. Isn't that ridiculous!” (Imply they have thinking that is going to magically change the cards.) Think of your own retorts. However, watch out for some people since they might try to meet you out in the parking lot. On the other hand if you are big like me – 6'3” - then you can get away with it. Note: The preemptive strike also helps shut up ploppies since most of them have a big mouth.
    4. Just the way things are going. That's how you explain different plays you make. However, the first thing you do is say nothing. If they ask again then answer. So if they say “Why did you take insurance this time?” Just say “Just the way things are going.”
    5. If a ploppie is getting really bad. Make sure to split tens; when appropriate! Or just threaten to do such. I actually did it at one time and the ploppie got so mad he barely finished his hand and stormed away from the table. Other players thanked me for getting rid of the guy. I won the hands BTW.
    6. Sometimes it's best to tell them to do an impossible act with themselves. Most ploppies are morons and don't understand anything else. Or "Look, sport, as long as I'm betting my money, I intend to play the hands the way I see fit. I'll be more than happy to play my cards any way you see it if you want to start betting for me. Do you understand?"
    7. If they get really, really bad. Tell the PB. You might want to go with telling the PB before any of the above.
    8. Sometimes it's best just to ignore them. Play how you do and they'll leave the table.
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    I calmly tell them, "You see the money in the circle in front of me. That is MY money and I will do what I feel is in the best interest of MY money. I recommend that you do the same." That usually shuts them up. I rarely speak with them but I will entertain them with disinterested idle chat, things like "Oh yeah" or "That's nice". I have plenty of practice doing that with the wife during football season. They normally get the point that I am not up for a social occasion. Not to stereo type but usually older Asian ladies are the worst voodoo practitioners of them all. They will talk about a hand that ruined everything for the next thirty minutes and just not let it go. Oh well, it is part of what we have to put up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJer View Post
    If bad players really effected the game then casinos would have shills at the table playing badly.
    A ploppy accused me of being a shill to mess up the cards. Was he schooled by you.

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    Be careful thou. Some ploppies are heat generators. Drawing attention to your play by getting mad at the "bad" moves you make. I've bailed before because some dude kept getting mad when I'd stay on my 12s or hit my soft 18s. He called over the PB for my "questionable" plays. I left, no color up. No need for that kind of attention from a PB who wasn't paying attention at first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJer View Post
    Just the way things are going. That's how you explain different plays you make
    I used this to diffuse heat in the past. I said I had been playing by the book the entire shoe and losing every hand now I am doing the opposite and winning. The floor person smiled and said thats the way it goes sometimes and walked away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    A ploppy accused me of being a shill to mess up the cards. Was he schooled by you.
    I told that "I'm also a member of the Illuminati."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacman View Post
    Be careful thou. Some ploppies are heat generators. Drawing attention to your play by getting mad at the "bad" moves you make. I've bailed before because some dude kept getting mad when I'd stay on my 12s or hit my soft 18s. He called over the PB for my "questionable" plays. I left, no color up. No need for that kind of attention from a PB who wasn't paying attention at first.

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    If you walked the count must have been bad. A perfect time to show the pit just how stupid you are at minimum cost. Doubling hard stiffs for less at min bet. splitting fives. Splitting most anything against an A or T. Reacting negatively to attention is suspicious. Either play your game or put on a show with the desired result of giving you longevity.

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    Actually the count was good (hence the staying on 12v2s). The game i was playing is one I play rarely because its the best 2D game within 30 minutes. I Reaally dont want them to become familiar with me at all. My sessions there are short, and my spread is excessive. Ive been able to play there for a good 6months essentially unnoticed and unrated do to massive ratholing and wonging out of any count less than 0. I wong out alot in double deck games.
    That particular ploppy is a regular there and doesn't like my wong out style. I try to avoid playing with him anyway. So sometimes i have to bail in good counts, but the pit is oblivious so i can get away with a 1-20 spread on a good day. The dealers are generous in there cuts so ill take the -ev for +longevity at this game. Its my bread and butter so to speak

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    You get all sort of people that believe the order of cards. They have play a few good shoes that worked out when everybody discussed and play they way most ploppies do. After that they firmly believe the order of cards,period. I do not need any explaining from anybody then , I was exactly one big ploppy of course I know how it feels.I know how they think. You have engineers that are alcoholics ,politician that are drug addicts ,clepto etc,.. what about ken uston . Were these people idiots ,no they are not. IQ is over rated at times ,what about EQ??? Knowledge have an impact on one's IQ as well. there was a very wealthy japanese businessman in electronics I believe that had a big gambling problem,later I think he suicide .Was he an idoit with low IQ ,running a big business like that?
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    I do not like to assume the dealers and pc are dumb people at all even though they may not have a degree or even a diploma. That's under estimating your opponents even though the true opponents are ETIS 's ,shift managers, etc... I certainly will not under estimate my opponents. I have been defeated many times doing just that .

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    Quote Originally Posted by stopgambling View Post
    I do not like to assume the dealers and pc are dumb people at all even though they may not have a degree or even a diploma. That's under estimating your opponents even though the true opponents are ETIS 's ,shift managers, etc... I certainly will not under estimate my opponents. I have been defeated many times doing just that .
    I didn't mean it to sound that way. I have seen some people with high IQs when you take them out of their area of knowledge do not have much of an EQ.
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    We all hate the whiny know it all ploppy that has to tell everyone how to play just because they know something that loosely resembles basic strategy but my biggest pet peeve is the fact that they cannot seem to play alone. I swear there will be 7 empty tables and me playing heads up at the 8th and every freaking one of them will come sit at my table. I changed tables 6 times tonight in one pit with four tables and each time I would be lucky to get one shoe before the onslaught of new ploppies. It was almost comical to see me running from the herd and every few minutes them plopping in. It was like musical chair blackjack, I just kept telling the floor I had to find a lucky dealer. I actually had one guy complain a out how hard it was to keep a full table and tell me it was impossible to win at one that is not full. Lmao

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    "With all due respect, don't tell me how to spend my money"

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