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    Newbie help betting system

    Hey guys I've trying to get my betting system down before I go to Vegas in a couple of weeks and haven't been able to find much info on exactly how to bet correctly. I start with a min bet of $25 and if I win 2 hands @25 in a row my bet will go to $50 so that I'm betting with house money. From there if I get on a run I will pull some chips back from a win but will continue increasing my bet until I lose and then start back at $25. I don't have a system/formula that I always follow so I want to know the best way to bet and slowly increasing my bet size as I win. Can one of you give me the "best" betting strategy to follow for when you get on a nice run? Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cashlyga View Post
    Hey guys I've trying to get my betting system down before I go to Vegas in a couple of weeks and haven't been able to find much info on exactly how to bet correctly. I start with a min bet of $25 and if I win 2 hands @25 in a row my bet will go to $50 so that I'm betting with house money. From there if I get on a run I will pull some chips back from a win but will continue increasing my bet until I lose and then start back at $25. I don't have a system/formula that I always follow so I want to know the best way to bet and slowly increasing my bet size as I win. Can one of you give me the "best" betting strategy to follow for when you get on a nice run? Thanks in advance.
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    The best way to increase your bet size is to discard all stupid betting progression systems and just count the cards. It's not difficult. If you don't want to, then stay away from the tables.

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    There is no formula to this because, as said previously, that's not how it works. I can make you a formula, actually, anyone can. But no formula will give you any sort of edge over the house. You will lose with any such formula.


    If you want to win, I, along with just about everybody here, will suggest you learn how to count cards. Look up the following systems and see if any are appealing to you: Hi-Lo, Red-7, KISS, KO, or REKO. Counting is not as difficult as you may think. You don't need to keep track of every single card. You simply assign a number (typically +1, 0, or -1) to each card. Your count will start at 0. When a card is played, you include that card's value (+1, 0, -1) to your count. When the count gets high enough, you bet more money. That is, fundamentally, all card-counting is.....Along with a few other things, like varying from basic strategy in certain situations, knowing about bankroll management so you aren't betting too much of your bankroll at any given time, the knowledge that the math and statistics involved in card-counting is meant for the long haul and that there are wild swings (oftentimes you'll lose a lot and oftentimes you'll win a lot, but if played properly, you should come out a winner after many many hours of play). If you are card-counting for a few hours, your wins or losses will be more tied to how lucky you got. Only after a long time can you truly expect to be ahead.


    If you don't want to count and play for fun, I suggest you don't alter your bet at all. If you increase your bet, without knowledge of which cards have been played, you will most of the time be betting more money into a situation where you're at a disadvantage. Thus, the more you increase your bet, the more you'll end up losing (if you aren't counting).
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    Use the Martingale system (keep doubling your bets after every loss). Yes, you could lose thousands using this system but the more likely scenario is that you will win $5 at the end of such a run. You'll be on vacation, so why not blow a chunk of change? Remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, and that includes most of your money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cashlyga View Post
    Hey guys I've trying to get my betting system down before I go to Vegas in a couple of weeks and haven't been able to find much info on exactly how to bet correctly. I start with a min bet of $25 and if I win 2 hands @25 in a row my bet will go to $50 so that I'm betting with house money. From there if I get on a run I will pull some chips back from a win but will continue increasing my bet until I lose and then start back at $25. I don't have a system/formula that I always follow so I want to know the best way to bet and slowly increasing my bet size as I win. Can one of you give me the "best" betting strategy to follow for when you get on a nice run? Thanks in advance.
    So do you actually want to play for a while or just quit while you're ahead? If you're just going to try to quit while you're ahead there's a potentially big roadblock you seem to have overlooked: You may very well start off losing and never get ahead! Then what? Martingale? Do you want to play for entertainment purposes or do you really want to make some money. If you want to make some real money you can't just play a few hands and use a progression system. If you just want to play for entertainment purposes, don't worry about whether you're going to win or lose and let the cards fall where they may.

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    Without knowledge of the shifting advantage in blackjack from counting you are playing against the house edge on average. Your expected lose will be your total of all bets times the house edge. The more you bet the more you expect to lose. In the long run any system that raises bets at random compared to the count will lose more money than flat betting the table minimum.

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    Hey guys I appreciate your responses and I've read the science behind the disadvantages of a progressive system but I've also read articles/arguments against attempting to count when you are not proficient. Counting doesn't guarantee you success just better odds of winning. When I've incorporated a progressive betting system I always pull chips off the table when I color up. I realize in your minds there is still a huge disadvantage with this method but I feel the "squiring" that I do helps protect my winings where flat betting does not allow you to ever make progress because you are only betting one unit per bet. Any additional thoughts on this?

    Also, what are your thought on attempting to count when you aren't proficient or confident in counting? How can you really practice counting in a realistic environment without it costing you or being able to do it often enough to become good at it as I live hours from any casino.

    Thanks again

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    Which counting method above do you use and what do you see as the advantages to this method over the others?

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    Make sure you have at least tc+2 then put your bet down . When you think the count is neg. or between tc 0 -tc1 leave. Keep doing that you should grind some $$ out. Is this an effective n efficient way ,it depends on the casino. I doubt that you can jump(WONG) in and jump(WONG) out for long period of time. Counting does not guarantee we win nut if one plays over 1000hrs on good games ,this person would have probably over 86% of double their bank.While progression or other voodoo system would make one lose their entire bank ,well maybe 5-10% escape(did not lose all maybe even win a little bit) within a 1000 hrs f play. Still,there are a lot of people think they can win with betting system. SAD but TRUE.
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    Martingale (doubling your bet after a loss) CAN and does work most of the time, at least in theory (and in practice, for those who've done it). The problem is what do you do when you have to split? What if it's some sh*tty split like 8,8vT? And you have a 16 or 32 unit bet out there?

    Most of the time, you'll come out a winner. But the odds are against you, and you will have a time when you lose 10 or 15 hands straight (it's happened to me plenty of times). If you want to bet like that, I would personally bet it on roulette, red or black. But that's just me.


    If you want to practice counting, you can get software to practice. I think CVBJ costs 80$ or so. You can also get a shoe, 6 decks, and some chips (or just take notes or use a computer....or no chips at all). Deal two player hands and one hand for the dealer. Don't burn the first card. Once you're near the end of the shoe, take out the remaining cards and count them. If you're using a balanced count, your count should end in 0.

    To get fast at counting, take a single deck, and flip over one card at a time. You should end in 0. Do the same thing, but flip two cards at a time -- this way you can practice canceling out cards and whatnot.

    All counting systems are different -- some are better for shoe games while others are better for pitch games. If you haven't chosen a system yet, I'd recommend HiLo, but they all rake in the dough.
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    Practice counting in a controlled environment until you are good then go stand next to a table and see if real life conditions throw you. Once you are both proficient in controlled conditions and comfortable counting in the casino playas you are supposed to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cashlyga View Post
    with this method but I feel the "squiring" that I do helps protect my winings
    The only problem with this is that it is utter nonsense.
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