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    "BTW, what is a "polite" spread for DD and 6D?"

    Keep bumping up your spread until the pit freaks and backs you off. Then pull back a bit.

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    Wow, so many suggestions. Any of these can and cannot work. Let's think more 'big picture' on the whole topic.

    If you plan on doing an act, do something that makes you look like a ploppy. That's it.

    Ploppies:
    Just play.
    Grimace at tough decisions.

    Ploppies don't:
    Talk about their hand, or how to play hands (unless they are grizzled veteran ploppies).
    Talk about previous hands.
    Talk about different rules or whatnot.
    Focus on strategy to play.

    Ploppies sometimes:
    Are sometimes quiet and don't say anything, or are sometimes boisterous. Any volume 'level' is typically ok.
    Vary their basic strategy decisions. Deviating from basic strategy doesn't cause as much heat in my opinion, except when you take insurance on crappy hands (but I definitely still take it).
    Tip. IMO, tipping is overrated. I don't do it when counting ever. But I don't care to lose casinos as much heh.

    Your overall goal is to make sure you raise as little suspicion as possible when playing. Sometimes you can't avoid a call to the eye...easily happened to me recently when I went from a measly 2x$25 to 2x$100 at a +1 TC. At that point, no act will help you.

    One other note on this: acting drunk is not that great of a ploy. If you act really drunk, it can be a polarized situation: they will watch you more, or watch you less. Typically it is the former, not the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlene View Post
    "BTW, what is a "polite" spread for DD and 6D?"

    Keep bumping up your spread until the pit freaks and backs you off. Then pull back a bit.

    LMAO! Reminds me of sports & exercise expert being asked:

    "How do you find out someone's maximum heart rate?"

    "Well ... you attach a heart monitor to someone, then have him run on a treadmill. The heart rate reading just before he dies, THAT's his maximum heart rate." :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youk View Post
    Wow, so many suggestions. Any of these can and cannot work. Let's think more 'big picture' on the whole topic.

    If you plan on doing an act, do something that makes you look like a ploppy. That's it.

    Ploppies:
    Just play.
    Grimace at tough decisions.

    Ploppies don't:
    Talk about their hand, or how to play hands (unless they are grizzled veteran ploppies).
    Talk about previous hands.
    Talk about different rules or whatnot.
    Focus on strategy to play.

    Ploppies sometimes:
    Are sometimes quiet and don't say anything, or are sometimes boisterous. Any volume 'level' is typically ok.
    Vary their basic strategy decisions. Deviating from basic strategy doesn't cause as much heat in my opinion, except when you take insurance on crappy hands (but I definitely still take it).
    Tip. IMO, tipping is overrated. I don't do it when counting ever. But I don't care to lose casinos as much heh.

    Your overall goal is to make sure you raise as little suspicion as possible when playing. Sometimes you can't avoid a call to the eye...easily happened to me recently when I went from a measly 2x$25 to 2x$100 at a +1 TC. At that point, no act will help you.

    One other note on this: acting drunk is not that great of a ploy. If you act really drunk, it can be a polarized situation: they will watch you more, or watch you less. Typically it is the former, not the latter.

    Thanks for the tips, Youk!

    BTW, I wasn't talking about full-on drunk, just tipsy or buzzed, just enough to look impaired.

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    "Polite spreads" differ by region, casino, day of week and time of day. It is part of learning and knowing different tolerance and comfort levels of the places you play. Yes, back offs and barings are one way to 'learn' these levels, but most times you don't have to get to that point. Most times, you can spot when you are approaching the point where they are no longer comfortable with your level of play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    "Polite spreads" differ by region, casino, day of week and time of day. It is part of learning and knowing different tolerance and comfort levels of the places you play. Yes, back offs and barings are one way to 'learn' these levels, but most times you don't have to get to that point. Most times, you can spot when you are approaching the point where they are no longer comfortable with your level of play.
    I think I can detect when the pit has reached the discomfort point with me. What I'm still not always sure of is the why. All around me people are betting twice as much, jumping their bets, professing strategies, being quiet, etc, and I'm the one getting the looks. I'm not at the level where more betting camo or dumbing down my play makes sense. I think I have to live with the fact that I might just stick out at some places and not so much at others, try to find that "polite" range for the specific store, and keep the session short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intermediate View Post
    I think I can detect when the pit has reached the discomfort point with me. What I'm still not always sure of is the why. All around me people are betting twice as much, jumping their bets, professing strategies, being quiet, etc, and I'm the one getting the looks. I'm not at the level where more betting camo or dumbing down my play makes sense. I think I have to live with the fact that I might just stick out at some places and not so much at others, try to find that "polite" range for the specific store, and keep the session short.

    I can't tell you what you're sensing is true or not. But it could be paranoia because you're the only one counting at that table.

    The one thing you can do is verify. Pick one of the stores you don't really care about (bad rules, too far, too smoky, etc). Play until you get the "feeling" and continue on. See if any BO's happen.

    Good luck, dude!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Part of avoiding a BO is being someone that is not annoying to have around. There are many ways to annoy. A greedy spread or win amount (either at one time or over a period of time) is one to avoid as this is a bottom line concern for the casino. As KJ pointed out this varies constantly as to what it is exactly. Generally the bigger joints are most tolerant but that still varies. Other ways of annoying are being obnoxious (loud, poorly dealing with other players,being a stiff even when you win, poor attitude, being rude, getting TOO upset after losses for TOO long). I could go on and on but the point is if you make their day harder or more unpleasant you are more likely to get the hook faster. The less frequent your visits the more you can generally get away with.

    Great tips, Tthree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Math Demon View Post
    I can't tell you what you're sensing is true or not. But it could be paranoia because you're the only one counting at that table.

    The one thing you can do is verify. Pick one of the stores you don't really care about (bad rules, too far, too smoky, etc). Play until you get the "feeling" and continue on. See if any BO's happen.

    Good luck, dude!
    Don't forget about the ones that come from the eye alone with no detectable feeling in the pit whatsoever. There is simply no set template for all possible scenarios.
    "One of these days in your travels, you are going to come across a guy with a nice brand new deck of cards, and this guy is going to offer to bet you that he can make the Jack of Spades jump out of the deck and squirt cider in your ear. But, son, do not take this bet, for if you do, as sure as you are standing there, you are going to end up with an ear full of cider."

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    You could always do the water / tea packet exchange in the bathroom hahahaha.

    Here's a serious question...do you think it would be possible to train counting while drunk to the point that it would be possible to keep a count and drink at the same time? I am not talking about hammered here just like 3-5 drinks I have read stories of people doing this.

    Perhaps a better question, would this even be worth it as a cover play?

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    Just because you can doesnt mean you should.....

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    Maybe your spread correlate to the count while the others are not . sure you may not be with the count all the time , but the one that count does! What do you think? Eventually we all get pick off. It's not because you do some bonehead plays ,then you will not be id. I can pick out most Counter within 10 mins. I am sure there r few that uses so much camo that it takes longer. as kj said if one do not play long enough and employs some good camo it would be hard to determine if one's counting in a short time frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biggg View Post
    Perhaps a better question, would this even be worth it as a cover play?
    No.
    "One of these days in your travels, you are going to come across a guy with a nice brand new deck of cards, and this guy is going to offer to bet you that he can make the Jack of Spades jump out of the deck and squirt cider in your ear. But, son, do not take this bet, for if you do, as sure as you are standing there, you are going to end up with an ear full of cider."

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